I Say Keep PR!

[Thomasrickj]

Explain please? Also, I don't think it matters who coaches us next year. We aren't going to a bowl. But why not try to start the rebuilding process instead of letting Rhoads drive the program further into the ground?

Hot dog, we have a weiner! This quote is a perfect summation of those arguing for keeping CPR and saying a new coach won't automatically improve us. Rhoads sucks at coaching and his staff is pretty bad as well. What do we honestly have to lose by starting over? We are a 3 win and 2 win program. This school can't get much worse. Why not create some excitement in the fanbase by hiring someone new? All of the excitement has been sucked out by Rhoads's inability to put anything together.

 

[stateofmind]

Hot dog, we have a weiner! This quote is a perfect summation of those arguing for keeping CPR and saying a new coach won't automatically improve us. Rhoads sucks at coaching and his staff is pretty bad as well. What do we honestly have to lose by starting over? We are a 3 win and 2 win program. This school can't get much worse. Why not create some excitement in the fanbase by hiring someone new? All of the excitement has been sucked out by Rhoads's inability to put anything together.

Money

 

[alarson]

Money

Its a $1mil difference to fire him this year vs firing him next year like will likely happen. Want to bet we eat up a lot of that million in lost sales and donations for next year?

 

[stateofmind]

Its a $1mil difference to fire him this year vs firing him next year like will likely happen. Want to bet we eat up a lot of that million in lost sales and donations for next year?

The thing is that you ASSume that we will fire him next year. :wink:

 

[stateofmind]

Has anybody done the math already? This is stuff for an actuary.

Buyout this year, X, Buyout next year, Y, Buyout the year after Z. (I realize you can use the same variable...)
# of season tickets sold with keeping CPR this year, next year, etc vs # of tickets sold with replacement.
What would a contract be for the next coach. Do you hire Harbaugh, Kelly, Saban at $10 million/year, which would help boost season tickets, or a Bohl-type guy and pay him $750-$1 million, and maybe boost ticket sales? What length of contract? (Calculate this cost on top of CPRs buyout)

To me, ISU is unfortunately not in the position to do any of the above options no matter how many season tickets go down. Not today, I highly doubt even next year. Does that make me or anybody happy? Not at all. But we took a huge risk to keep CPR when we did because he was wanted elsewhere. Now we are in a hole with no Auburn or Creighton waiting in the wings. I think some of us just choose to support where we are with who we have then take the above risk and not be guaranteed ****.

Does this make sense?

 

[alarson]

The thing is that you ASSume that we will fire him next year. :wink:

I see no way we don't, unless we make the dumb decision to keep him on after yet another losing season.

 

[dualthreat]

Curious, but won't start another thread for it, how many games will Rhoads need to win in 2015 to save his job?

7?

 

[CycloneErik]

Curious, but won't start another thread for it, how many games will Rhoads need to win in 2015 to save his job?

7?

For a handful of fans, just the Iowa game.
For some others, 2-3, because we are Iowa State.
For others, 6-7.

If we somehow keep him and don't go bowling, it has to be a no-brainer, but won't be for some or many.
We're still about the only, if not the only, program that even stops to think about whether firing a coach that's gone in this direction. It's pretty clear everywhere else.

 

[cylove]

The growth at ISU has been considerable the last 10-15 years but they is also a problem. We now have a bunch of 20 yr fans who have the patience of your typical millennial fan who can't stay off their phone long enough to drive home. Firing your coaches every 2-3 years does not work 90% of the time. When you do have an opening though you have to make very careful decisions. I wonder how many of the fire CPR people were also demanding that we pay whatever he wants three years ago?

Well everybody's buddy Erik for one. Good old uni for another.

Read through some of those threads, especially the ones about him going to pitt. They are hysterical.

 

[stateofmind]

For a handful of fans, just the Iowa game.
For some others, 2-3, because we are Iowa State.
For others, 6-7.

If we somehow keep him and don't go bowling, it has to be a no-brainer, but won't be for some or many.
We're still about the only, if not the only, program that even stops to think about whether firing a coach that's gone in this direction. It's pretty clear everywhere else.

I think it strictly comes down to the math vs risk. I know that many want to make me feel stupid for supporting this staff, but until it's mathematically feasible I'm going to do everything that I possibly can do to help us recruit better and win. For some, their way of supporting the program is to not support it. In that, they send a message to JP that it costs more to keep CPR then to fire him.

I think there are a few that believe we should all stay home and somehow we will be able to attract the next stud head coach and recruits. I think the line was that the team should win before we attend. Do I have that correct alarson?

 

[cylove]

Oh gee, another "but...but...Dan McCarney..." post.
CPR enjoys better facilities and a larger support staff than Mac could ever dream of.
For example, Mac had one full-time strength coach: Matt McGettigan.
CPR has five.

Lol at you lil mac.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Money

Yeah, let's go ahead and not factor in that ISU will lose much more money in ticket sales if Rhoads stays. It saves $750k to keep Rhoads one more season. My best guess is the average season ticket cost is $300 (and that's on the low end). There will easily be 10,000 less donors than last season. That's a $3mil difference. The longer Rhoads is here the larger that $3mil number gets.

 

[cylove]

Yeah, let's go ahead and not factor in that ISU will lose much more money in ticket sales if Rhoads stays. It saves $750k to keep Rhoads one more season. My best guess is the average season ticket cost is $300 (and that's on the low end). There will easily be 10,000 less donors than last season. That's a $3mil difference. The longer Rhoads is here the larger that $3mil number gets.

Wow

 

[stateofmind]

Yeah, let's go ahead and not factor in that ISU will lose much more money in ticket sales if Rhoads stays. It saves $750k to keep Rhoads one more season. My best guess is the average season ticket cost is $300 (and that's on the low end). There will easily be 10,000 less donors than last season. That's a $3mil difference. The longer Rhoads is here the larger that $3mil number gets.

Dude, 7 posts ago I asked this question. If JP believed that we will lose 7,000 $375 season ticket holders and another 3,000 $125 season ticket holders then I think he would bail on CPR. But, and this is a big but, the assumption is that this will happen, with that being a net loss of season ticket holders not offset by the SEZ project. All the while him believing that the cost of a new hire would be profitable. Because I believe that JP thinks CPR and staff can fix this, or that there are reasons for the product, CPR is not going anywhere like it or not.

 

[SeaClone]

You do realize Rhoads has been here 6 years, right? Therefore it wouldn't be "firing a coach every 2-3 years" as you put it.

No, but it would be firing after 2 bad years. Some people have no perspective of this program's historical place, and the challenges that go along making it more respectable. Did no one read the article Blum wrote about this exact thing? Rhoads has been more successful than any coach in ISU history. If anyone expects that any coach is going to come into ISU and consistently win 8 games and never have a season or two where you win 2 or 3, you are delusional and setting yourself up for disappointment. You may call it settling...I call it reality.

 

[awd4cy]

No, but it would be firing after 2 bad years. Some people have no perspective of this program's historical place, and the challenges that go along making it more respectable. Did no one read the article Blum wrote about this exact thing? Rhoads has been more successful than any coach in ISU history. If anyone expects that any coach is going to come into ISU and consistently win 8 games and never have a season or two where you win 2 or 3, you are delusional and setting yourself up for disappointment. You may call it settling...I call it reality.

Some people have no perspective of the direction Rhoads is taking us. Some still blindly think he is still building something at Iowa State, and I find that baffling.

 

[Melvin]

I would say - Keep him because he is a pretty good coach. CPR deserves another year to get ISU back on track.

 

[MartyMcCy]

Yeah, let's go ahead and not factor in that ISU will lose much more money in ticket sales if Rhoads stays. It saves $750k to keep Rhoads one more season. My best guess is the average season ticket cost is $300 (and that's on the low end). There will easily be 10,000 less donors than last season. That's a $3mil difference. The longer Rhoads is here the larger that $3mil number gets.

That's great news! With less than 6,800 Cyclone Club donors listed for 2013-2014, I should be able to tailgate in the paved lots for sure next year!

 

[SeaClone]

Some people have no perspective of the direction Rhoads is taking us. Some still blindly think he is still building something at Iowa State, and I find that baffling.

And no one knows whether we will improve or continue in the current state for the next couple of years, because it's impossible to know. You can say all you want that you know, but you don't. No one does. I don't evaluate any situation blindly. CPR has earned the benefit of the doubt to have a couple of down years to see if he can build it back up again. The haters need to practice patience in the wake of the historical perspective associated with this program. It bears repeating: CPR has been more successful than ANY coach in this history of the program.

 

[awd4cy]

And no one knows whether we will improve or continue in the current state for the next couple of years, because it's impossible to know. You can say all you want that you know, but you don't. No one does. I don't evaluate any situation blindly. CPR has earned the benefit of the doubt to have a couple of down years to see if he can build it back up again. The haters need to practice patience in the wake of the historical perspective associated with this program. It bears repeating: CPR has been more successful than ANY coach in this history of the program.

That is definitely false.