Seth Greenberg Likes ISU

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I know it gets mentioned in every poll thread, but why the hell do you guys care that much about a couple spots either way in DECEMBER.

There are so many more conference wins and losses to come. Yes, we're ranked, so it's obvious we're getting noticed. No, we're not top 5, so we're not elite level yet... So who the hell cares.

It's a week before I'm off for 10 days, I need something to argue until then while working.
 

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Does TCU have a head to head victory over either Maryland or ISU? Why did you bother to type that? Did you think it was a good argument?
Well since wins and losses is all that matters in your argument then it's true. Are you saying that who you play actually does matter?
 

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Kinda funny that you were pumping up Iowa just a bit before we played them and now you are dogging them.
I though heading into the season that they might be a decent team. Now that I have seen them play a few times I can see that they are not. And now that I have seen most of the Big 10 teams play, I can see that they are going to get pounded on in the month of January. It's called reevaluating opinions based on new information.
 
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Some of us didn't get to put our logo in the middle of the court either... Neutral site.

I would consider putting your logo on the middle of the court and distributing tickets to your season ticket holders home regardless of the venue. On the other hand I would certainly put an asterisk after neutral for ISU's game there.
 

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Will it be flashed across the screen as a selling point even if Iowa ends up in the NIT as most people here expect they will?

You have to separate what Clone fans says from what the rest of the nation thinks. Of course we all think Iowa is NIT or CIB bound. However, the rest of the nation looks at the North Carolina win and many still consider Iowa to be a decent team. In the eyes of the sports media, it was a good win for us. For us fans, the Hoks can go **** themselves and we'll always say they are no better than intramural competition. That doesn't change the sports analysts perceptions.
 

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A team can lose by 30 to anyone and be in the top 10? Explain that logic.

Let's fire up the CBS Team Comparison. I really like using this to compare RPI wins/losses.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison

ISU 8-1
3 top 50 wins (2 home, 1 neutral)
1 top 50 loss (neutral)
1 100-199 wins (ha I didn't realize Iowa was 114 RPI!)
4 200+ wins (all home)

Maryland 10-1
1 top 50 win (neutral)
1 top 50 loss (home)
5 100-199 wins - 4 home, 1 neutral
4 200+ wins (all home)


Obviously this only looks at RPI, but I don't see any reason ISU couldn't be ranked higher than Maryland. ISU has the best win (Arkanas is 19, ISU is 25) and 2 other better wins; Alabama and Georgia State.

twocoach, could you please address these two posts?
 

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I though heading into the season that they might be a decent team. Now that I have seen them play a few times I can see that they are not. And now that I have seen most of the Big 10 teams play, I can see that they are going to get pounded on in the month of January. It's called reevaluating opinions based on new information.
Naw dood. I was referring to what you were saying about Iowa like last week..
 

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twocoach, could you please address these two posts?
Sure. 1) If team ranked #1 beats team ranked #2 by 30 points, it doesn't automatically mean that team #2 isn't still the second best team in the country. It just means that team #1 was 30 points better than them that day and should still be ranked #1. Since you are all spending so much time trying to convince me that the results of an individual game are less important than the weight of an overall resume, I would argue that KU's overall resume deserves to have them ranked higher than they are since it is much more impressive than some of the teams ranked above them. 2) ISU's overall resume, given the limited sample size at this point in the season, is marginally better than Maryland's overall. I would understand why a voter would vote ISU higher than Maryland despite the head to head win. I would also certainly not think it is ridiculous for a person to say that the head to head win means more to them when they voted and put Maryland ahead of ISU. There simply isn't enough of a difference in the resumes for it to be ridiculous considering that they did actually beat them.
 

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i think cyclone fans have done a great job maintaining our reputation as the most hypersensitive fanbase.

if I were in the national media i'd troll cyclone fans all day long. we're low hanging fruit.
 

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I would consider putting your logo on the middle of the court and distributing tickets to your season ticket holders home regardless of the venue. On the other hand I would certainly put an asterisk after neutral for ISU's game there.
No student section and no banners = no home game. That was a seriously tame crowd in KC for the KU-Utah game. On the flip side, it took my voice more than a week to recover from the Florida game and I get a headache just thinking about how loud it was down the stretch. Easily the loudest game end to end I have ever been to.
 

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Sure. 1) If team ranked #1 beats team ranked #2 by 30 points, it doesn't automatically mean that team #2 isn't still the second best team in the country. It just means that team #1 was 30 points better than them that day and should still be ranked #1. Since you are all spending so much time trying to convince me that the results of an individual game are less important than the weight of an overall resume, I would argue that KU's overall resume deserves to have them ranked higher than they are since it is much more impressive than some of the teams ranked above them. 2) ISU's overall resume, given the limited sample size at this point in the season, is marginally better than Maryland's overall. I would understand why a voter would vote ISU higher than Maryland despite the head to head win. I would also certainly not think it is ridiculous for a person to say that the head to head win means more to them when they voted and put Maryland ahead of ISU. There simply isn't enough of a difference in the resumes for it to be ridiculous considering that they did actually beat them.

I actually agree with this, but I am one who wouldn't have a problem if Maryland was ranked higher. But what Tuco says here also supports that it isn't crazy for ISU to be ranked higher than Maryland, either and that is what this particular Seth appears to be saying.

Cliffnotes: It isn't crazy for Maryland to be higher or ISU to be higher. I know ISU has been on the other side of that many times. It is good to be the king (Hoiberg).
 

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i think cyclone fans have done a great job maintaining our reputation as the most hypersensitive fanbase.

if I were in the national media i'd troll cyclone fans all day long. we're low hanging fruit.

Why, did somebody say something? Please post link. Something bad about ISU? Was it ESPN? CBS Sports? Who's been talking smack about us?
 

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Sure. 1) If team ranked #1 beats team ranked #2 by 30 points, it doesn't automatically mean that team #2 isn't still the second best team in the country. It just means that team #1 was 30 points better than them that day and should still be ranked #1. Since you are all spending so much time trying to convince me that the results of an individual game are less important than the weight of an overall resume, I would argue that KU's overall resume deserves to have them ranked higher than they are since it is much more impressive than some of the teams ranked above them. 2) ISU's overall resume, given the limited sample size at this point in the season, is marginally better than Maryland's overall. I would understand why a voter would vote ISU higher than Maryland despite the head to head win. I would also certainly not think it is ridiculous for a person to say that the head to head win means more to them when they voted and put Maryland ahead of ISU. There simply isn't enough of a difference in the resumes for it to be ridiculous considering that they did actually beat them.
We're trying to argue that. Either you agree with it or you don't. Which is it?
 

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You have to separate what Clone fans says from what the rest of the nation thinks. Of course we all think Iowa is NIT or CIB bound. However, the rest of the nation looks at the North Carolina win and many still consider Iowa to be a decent team. In the eyes of the sports media, it was a good win for us. For us fans, the Hoks can go **** themselves and we'll always say they are no better than intramural competition. That doesn't change the sports analysts perceptions.
Oh, I know. But I look at what Iowa has coming up soon and they are going to have some serious problems. Their next 8 games are Northern Iowa, North Florida, @Ohio State, vs. Nebraska, vs. Michigan State, @Minnesota, vs. Ohio State and @Wisconsin. Outside of the North Florida game, none of those are gimmies. They might feel decent about the home game against Nebraska given their recent struggles but even that could blow up in their faces. I don't see more than about 3 wins max in that stretch. Woof.
 

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Sure. 1) If team ranked #1 beats team ranked #2 by 30 points, it doesn't automatically mean that team #2 isn't still the second best team in the country. It just means that team #1 was 30 points better than them that day and should still be ranked #1. Since you are all spending so much time trying to convince me that the results of an individual game are less important than the weight of an overall resume, I would argue that KU's overall resume deserves to have them ranked higher than they are since it is much more impressive than some of the teams ranked above them. 2) ISU's overall resume, given the limited sample size at this point in the season, is marginally better than Maryland's overall. I would understand why a voter would vote ISU higher than Maryland despite the head to head win. I would also certainly not think it is ridiculous for a person to say that the head to head win means more to them when they voted and put Maryland ahead of ISU. There simply isn't enough of a difference in the resumes for it to be ridiculous considering that they did actually beat them.

Good work, I agree. I can understand Maryland being ranked above ISU or ISU above Maryland though I think ISU's resume is a little better at this point. I just got snippy with the KU UK post.
 

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