REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[cytown]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

My guess is Pollard knows even if he is 100% right in this case hypothetically, he has nothing to gain by commenting. The best thing he can do is try to do his job best he can.

That is not accurate. If he truly did all he could to keep Fred, he comes out and says it. Says he appreciates everything Fred did but he had the make the best choice for him. He doesn't even need to comment on the hotel room thing - its water under the bridge.

FH is much bigger than JP in this town. Him staying quiet looks bad.

 

[BryceC]

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I don't like that this even exists. IMO it's unfair to prohm with him already having a tough task of making us forget about Fred.

To me this is relevant a few months ago or during the Hoiberg era. Now it just seems like dredging up the past.

 

[SpokaneCY]

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Former boss who is a big donor said they had the money to pay Fred but the donors wanted a commitment from him and Fred wasn't willing to commit to being the coach for more than a year at a time.

I think some people also underestimate how much Fred hated the babysitter role of being a college basketball coach.

Impossible there is another side to this story that disputes what some think!

 

[cycloneworld]

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Keith Murphy: I've heard similar issues/comments from my personal sources.

 

[cyclonedave25]

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KJ Kindler certainly did.

Same thing with Corey Ihmels.
I always thought it was odd when he left for Boise St.

 

[CyRann22]

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Fred's rift isn't with ISU as an institution.

Fred isn't exactly a typical ex-coach either.

Also, Fred probably doesn't even care about any of this now and that's not the point of the article. The point is that Jamie made Fred's job more difficult.

 

[cycloneworld]

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I don't like that this even exists. IMO it's unfair to prohm with him already having a tough task of making us forget about Fred.

To me this is relevant a few months ago or during the Hoiberg era. Now it just seems like dredging up the past.

No media outlet is a shill for the athletic department. It's their job to get their stories exposure and talked about, this does exactly that.

 

[Tornado man]

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Don't care for all of the "anonymous sources."

For example, this is a big statement:

“I don’t think Jamie was sad at all to see Fred go,” a source said. “I think there was some jealousy there.”

I hope Hines had to provide the names of his sources to his editors so they could confirm...

 

[Spam]

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I don't like that this even exists. IMO it's unfair to prohm with him already having a tough task of making us forget about Fred.

To me this is relevant a few months ago or during the Hoiberg era. Now it just seems like dredging up the past.

I think this helps Prohm if it leads to ISU handling things better

 

[cycloneworld]

Re: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

Don't care for all of the "anonymous sources."

For example, this is a big statement:

“I don’t think Jamie was sad at all to see Fred go,” a source said. “I think there was some jealousy there.”

I hope Hines had to provide the names of his sources to his editors so they could confirm...

Do you realize how reporting and "sources" work? It's one thing if this was the National Enquirer reporting but Hines reputation is about as top notch as you can get here locally. He wouldn't publish something he didn't believe to be true.

 

[cstrunk]

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The way the article is put together and the amount of stock put into "insinuations" and rumors really makes me feel like this is being way overblown. Some of it may be true, but I don't know how you can say JP needs to be fired. He runs an athletic program (without a high-major budget) and is having pretty good success overall with it. He's not a perfect AD, I'm sure even he would admit that. I'm sure his accounting "nickel-and-diming" budget restraints may seem too much to some, but it's part of how he's been able for us to accomplish $160,000,000 in facility upgrades in the past 10 years.

Something is not right, and to me it sounds like there is a small group of people that are trying to push an agenda. Travis Hines has no affiliation with ISU, therefore has no allegiance to protect the AD. His career is based upon how many people he can get to read his articles and react to them. It creates $$ for his boss. I agree with a few others that most of this feels "petty" to me, and it'll be interesting to see if any comments come from Jamie Pollard.

 

[laminak]

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My thoughts on the article...

Fred was going to the NBA regardless. His contract alone suggests it. Furthermore, it was widely known he watched NBA and not NCAA. He even talked to Reggie Miller years ago stating he wanted back in the league. Most here (including me) were shocked about how fast that happened/aka "stepping stone." Whether that early departure was caused by JP's nickel and diming, tiring of recruiting/babysitting, or getting the perfect storm to work with his buddy Gar in Chicago, it could be any/all of these. Regardless, Hoiberg was going to leave for the NBA eventually.

The bigger concern wasn't the Hoiberg angle, but rather the system/culture of the AD. Curtailing transfers made no sense. Some of ISU's best teams were built on transfers/JUCOs, even outside of Hoiberg. ISU became a leader in that area and would be very puzzling to reduce/eliminate it.

For the nickel & diming, ISU does have tougher choices, less money, and leaner than many of their piers. I want ISU to be efficient, however not stupid. If funding is an issue to keep our coaches and facilities and budgets at competitive levels for a P5 school, then I hope they're involving administration/donors to keep it at those levels. Often money saved can cost you down the road with hidden costs/loss of talent/etc. ISU is the third largest Big 12 school and biggest school in Iowa. They'll need to start acting like it.

 

[Judoka]

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Some of you are ridiculous arguing that not giving the room makes sense. Are you ******* kidding me? If Hoiberg wanted a room with a chocolate fountain and two lions in a cage, you give him what he wants. We were on the verge of National Championship(s).

It isn't "room" it is "14 rooms and a suite in Hawaii during prime winter travel season". Yeah, I don't have a problem with the AD not spending $10k+ when the team had an afternoon flight. Hell, Hines intentionally didn't say how long they were there after checkout. For all we know it was just 1-2 hours. At most it was 5-6. And the team could have done something in that time, they were tired/hungover so they chose to sleep. As I posted upthread, maybe in the NBA keeping a day room is normal. But it isn't anywhere else.

 

[stateofmind]

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Again - his job isn't to boost ISU's profile. It's to report news and info that people want to read.

Is this reporting news? Just seems like there are innuendos which lead to an agenda?

“I don’t think Jamie was sad at all to see Fred go,â€￾ a source said. “I think there was some jealousy there.â€￾ ​

 

[JP4CY]

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I've read all the responses and no one has pointed out that Fred interviewed with the Warriors. He's wanted out for some time now, he didn't just go after his NBA "Bulls dream job."

 

[cytown]

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Because some of you really aren't getting it:

http://journalism.about.com/od/journalismglossary/g/glanonsource.htm

 

[cycloneworld]

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The way the article is put together and the amount of stock put into "insinuations" and rumors really makes me feel like this is being way overblown. Some of it may be true, but I don't know how you can say JP needs to be fired. He runs an athletic program (without a high-major budget) and is having pretty good success overall with it. He's not a perfect AD, I'm sure even he would admit that. I'm sure his accounting "nickel-and-diming" budget restraints may seem too much to some, but it's part of how he's been able for us to accomplish $160,000,000 in facility upgrades in the past 10 years.

And that might as well be true.

But if your superstar employees PERCEIVE there is a problem..there is a problem.

 

[CloneFan4]

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Even if you do bring up the point that Hoiberg was leaving regardless for the NBA, I don't want Prohm to have the same problems.

 

[DiehardClone]

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Maybe this is your first year following college football. Otherwise you'd know the fire the coach reactions are not based on this year's record

Oh, I see. So if ISU was 3-0 right now the general consensus would still be Fire CPR ASAP. Gotchya.

 

[cytown]

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Is this reporting news? Just seems like there are innuendos which lead to an agenda?

“I don’t think Jamie was sad at all to see Fred go,” a source said. “I think there was some jealousy there.” ​

If it was given to him, by a source, then it is something he can share as news.