REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

kingcy

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of course he wouldn't have stayed. But he should have thrown out a 5 million contract with huge nba buyout and made Fred say no. Fred's friends and possibly Fred have screwed over Iowa state with this article, so I'm not sure why Iowa state made it easier for him to leave.
Who said he didn't throw a contact like that out there. There is a reason there was such a small NBA buyout in his last contract.
 

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Im sad that the drama is slowing down. This site is at its best when it feels like its all a bunch of middle schools kids gossiping.

Apparently we should all be paid by the Ames Tribune since they appear to publish articles composed of untruths, misleading exaggerations, and middle school gossip.
 

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No. I don't doubt people told him this stuff, BUT he didn't verify it with concrete evidence. I am sorry having someone tell you something (that may be driven by emotion) is not evidence, evidence would be examining a paper trail.

I agree with Curt here too. I don't think many are questioning Hines on whether he made up this stuff. I truly believe he is writing exactly what he heard. Most of us just wish he did his needed due diligence in the background to check the verifiable facts of the source's statements that he is writing. If you are writing something, especially something with big consequences like costing people their jobs, it is straight up wrong and irresponsible to not do everything possible in the background to verify what is factually true and what isn't. I also recognize that not everything is verifiable, but that doesn't mean you don't make every attempt at it, and you document in the article your attempts at doing so. I just don't see any of that unfortunately.
 
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Between holding onto Rhoads (a bad football coach) and essentially helping Hoiberg (amazing basketball coach) leave his hometown, I wouldn't be the least bit sorry to see Pollard go. With that said, I do realize he has done some good things here for ISU with all the facility upgrades.
He was leaving no matter what
 

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Hopefully there is a part two on the way for Hines' sake. Still can't fathom how this took months to work on, but there was no fact checking done?

He was a pretty solid journalist before all of this so it seems off. Maybe his sources were pushing him.
 

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If this was written as an opinion piece in June I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it. The timing and written as a news story is what is questionable.
 

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If this was written as an opinion piece in June I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it. The timing and written as a news story is what is questionable.

It has to be donors trying to get the masses thinking if they want Pollard to be the one doing the next football coach search.
 

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I don't see how that would have made Fred look bad. All it would do is reinforce the 'I'm following my dream' scenario and quiet the people who think/thought it was about money.

No one faults someone for NOT following the money.

I think the scenario of ISU offering Fred some huge contract to stay is equally ridiculous as the Hines article.

I think it was in the radio interview, Jamie said Hoiberg made it clear to Leath and Pollard that Duke could offer him $7mil/year to succeed Coach K at Duke, he would still take the Bulls job.

So ISU offering Hoiberg what, $5mil per year, $10mil per year to stay here? That's a political move, not honesty. In a way, I think it was more honorable that Pollard did not try to do some political deal to offer a huge contract to stay at ISU and make him turn it down. Coach Fred made it clear to his employers, before everyone else (particularly the fans) that his dream was to coach in the NBA. He has TRIED to make that clear to Cyclones fans, but some of them still can't seem to let that go.

There was nothing that ISU or Jamie could have done to keep Fred as our coach when the Bulls offered him the position. NOTHING. We need to accept that and thank Fred for what he did for us and for ISU basketball in 5 years, and enjoy the future fruits of that (relative) success. I hope Coach Prohm builds on that foundation and takes us to new heights.
 

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Jamie, Fred and Leath's side of the story

Im sad that the drama is slowing down. This site is at its best when it feels like its all a bunch of middle schools kids gossiping.

Actually I think that the drama is just starting. There will be repercussions for the Ames Tribune for allowing this drivel to be published. The Ames Tribune should stick to obituaries and wedding announcements and advertising. There could be legal ramifications to this whole thing and I'm sure that there are lawyers looking into it as we speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be
 

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Did you expect Pollard to CONFIRM everything in the story if it is true? He would basically be handing in his resignation letter if he did that. Maybe this is just a situation where Pollard believes that he is properly balancing being fiscally responsible but that others affected by his decisions and policies feel that he is going a little over the top. I've had a boss before who was so focused on the bottom line that her decisions handcuffed employees from being able to do the best job possible. I don't want to have to put together an argument to defend a request for a $50 software license for a program that will help me do my job better. Get me what I need and go back to sitting around at meetings with the big wigs.

This is a really dumb comment. Your comparison of wanting $50 software to better perform your job does not equate checking out of a hotel at noon for a 6:00 p.m flight. Nor does it equate to asking AC's to pay for their families travels to the NCAA tournament. The first may have been an inconvenience, but as CFH said, "Big deal." The second is a perk that you were denied. I don't really see how either of those equate to your hypothetical situation. It's not like JP was saying that the Sukup center was now only going to run on scheduled hours or that the athletic department was going to cease covering flights to Chicago for recruiting when they could simply drive. No part of the "nickel and diming" directly affected CFH's ability to perform his job at a high level.
 

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You're missing the point. Refuting something doesn't mean that it is some flawless victory for Pollard on Hines like I'm seeing here.

I am not missing the point. Is there some truth there? Maybe, but definitely not the truth that Hines was trying to tell. This article was meant as a tear-down, you can't get any other feel from it. And it was flat out stupid in a lot of areas. This calls the whole thing into question, and makes you wonder what the heck happened with Hines and Pollard?
 

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I am not missing the point. Is there some truth there? Maybe, but definitely not the truth that Hines was trying to tell. This article was meant as a tear-down, you can't get any other feel from it. And it was flat out stupid in a lot of areas. This calls the whole thing into question, and makes you wonder what the heck happened with Hines and Pollard?

Why does it make you wonder that? That's what I don't get, this isn't Hines vs. Pollard. It should make you wonder what the heck happened to the people Hines was talking to and Pollard.
 

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I am not missing the point. Is there some truth there? Maybe, but definitely not the truth that Hines was trying to tell. This article was meant as a tear-down, you can't get any other feel from it. And it was flat out stupid in a lot of areas. This calls the whole thing into question, and makes you wonder what the heck happened with Hines and Pollard?

Or Hines' sources.
 

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a lot of emotion in the interpretation of this entire situation. Nobody, no matter the sources, wants anything to be bad about Fred, JP or otherwise.
 

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Travis Hines Incompetence

Hopefully there is a part two on the way for Hines' sake. Still can't fathom how this took months to work on, but there was no fact checking done?

He was a pretty solid journalist before all of this so it seems off. Maybe his sources were pushing him.

He was OK writing about recruiting, etc., but his stab at investigative journalism was a failure. It's obvious that by trying to be an investigative journalist that he is over his head and has risen to his highest level of incompetence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TwWs93K5w&feature=youtu.be
 

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When public figures are emphatic that a report isn't true, you can pretty much count on the report being true. It goes that way every time.

If your assertion depends upon both Fred Hoiberg and Jamie Pollard to be bald-faced liars....well I guess if someone chooses to stake out that ground then they are entitled to that position.
 

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I really feel bad for Prohm in all of this mess. True or not, recruiting didn't get any easier because of this.