REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

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Look at the bean counter sticking up for the bean counter ;) kidding aside you are right and wasn't trying to imply otherwise. Pollard made it sound like they began taxing recently so am assuming it is when the IRS tightened their rules. I was only implying that I can understand that some employees may not understand this. I mean if an employer paid it then they would have to count that as taxable income too right? I think Google pays for theirs because it is impossible to assess to the individual otherwise it should be paid by the individual (but you are the expert here).

True the IRS tightened rules on Fringe Benefits within the last couple years. It all started with companies supplying meals to employees while the employees were in the office and not out on the road. The IRS was seeing companies use these meal expenses as a huge expense lowering their taxbale income but the employees were getting a benefit and not getting taxed on it. So the IRS started cracking down on these benefits (meals, car allowances, cell phone allowances, tickets, etc). I know at the company I was previously at they changed their cell phone reimbursement policy and made lunch $5 so they could avoid having to include those type of items as taxable wages on our W-2's.
 

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What is there to explain? Hines isn't trying to say that it's unexplainable. It's obvious that it 1) ****** somebody off and 2) made a good headline. I feel like I've living in the pre-internet ages in this thread. The shock and outrage is hilarious. PC Brah.

Anyone ****** off about having to kill 4 hours in the middle of the day in Hawaii is an entitled *******.
 

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True the IRS tightened rules on Fringe Benefits within the last couple years. It all started with companies supplying meals to employees while the employees were in the office and not out on the road. The IRS was seeing companies use these meal expenses as a huge expense lowering their taxbale income but the employees were getting a benefit and not getting taxed on it. So the IRS started cracking down on these benefits (meals, car allowances, cell phone allowances, tickets, etc). I know at the company I was previously at they changed their cell phone reimbursement policy and made lunch $5 so they could avoid having to include those type of items as taxable wages on our W-2's.

My sister just started a job this year where stuff is always delivered by Peapod and employees can take what they want. She barely weighs 100 pounds, I keep wondering how they tax that? I don't think they keep track of who eats what, so they just divide the food costs by all employees? I doubt she eats her share.
 

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What is there to explain? Hines isn't trying to say that it's unexplainable. It's obvious that it 1) ****** somebody off and 2) made a good headline. I feel like I've living in the pre-internet ages in this thread. The shock and outrage is hilarious. PC Brah.

I can believe this is a real question but I'll bite. Hines makes it sound like they had to sleep on the floor overnight (or for more than an hour or two) because the AD was cheap.

The real story is that 1) it was a couple of hours and 2) the basketball staff makes those arrangements themselves.
 

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Exactly, but JP was willing to let him walk.

How do you know that Jamie just let Fred walk?

It was stated that Leath, Jamie, and Fred had a meeting. At this point, it was probably discussed what would happen if Fred left to the NBA. My guess is that Fred told them, if the right NBA team came along, that he will go to the NBA no matter what. Hopefully during this meeting Leath and Pollard pushed Fred in to what it would take to keep him. My guess is the result of this meeting was that no matter what, Fred would go to the NBA.

Fast forward to Fred to the NBA rumors. Donors are probably hearing this through the grapevine and approach Jamie about keeping Fred in Ames. Donors say how much they are willing to give in order to keep Fred. Jamie's response to them is most likely that Fred is going to the NBA and nothing will prevent him from doing that. The donors probably perceive this as Jamie not doing anything to keep Fred in Ames and therefore upsets them. However, because of the conversation between Leath, Pollard and Jamie earlier, Jamie knows that it won't matter what he does, Fred will be in the NBA.

I feel that Fred wanted to be in the NBA no matter what and there was nothing Jamie and Leath could do about it because that is what Fred wanted to do.
 
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It is hilarious that people are so critical of unnamed sources when the don't like an article but are ok with it other times. If it wasn't for unnamed sources there would be a lot less news articles.
Also funny people think it was a story sensationalized.
Hines basically says in there he doesn't know if any of it had a part in Fred leaving and also stated that Pollard and Fred maintained a good working relationship.
Doesn't mean he enjoyed working for him. Fred is a professional.

So he chose 3 of the most easily verifiable (but left unchecked) allegations but Hines' conclusion is he doesn't know if it had any impact? Why is that a story again?

A guy left a $2.3mm job for a $5mm job which happened to be his dream job and the author cites sitting in a hotel lobby in HI for several hours as a reason? Ad revenue for the Trib must be down.
 

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How do you know that Jamie just let Fred walk?

It was stated that Leath, Jamie, and Fred had a meeting. At this point, it was probably discussed what would happen if Fred left to the NBA. My guess is that Fred told them, if the right NBA team came along, that he will go to the NBA no matter what.

Agreeing with SCNY here, if you listen to Jamie and Fred's interviews on Murph and Andy Jamie straight up says this occurred, and Fred agrees nothing would have kept him in Ames while refusing to discuss the full conversation as it was private.
 

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It will be interesting to see what side of the story kxno takes this afternoon.
 

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The issue shouldn't be about Fred leaving. He was gone. 100% of the issue to me is how cheap Pollard is. If this was an isolated incident, then it wouldn't be an issue. But we've had little things come out here and there, with one thing in common that always seems to surface: Pollard is cheap
 

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I can believe this is a real question but I'll bite. Hines makes it sound like they had to sleep on the floor overnight (or for more than an hour or two) because the AD was cheap.

The real story is that 1) it was a couple of hours and 2) the basketball staff makes those arrangements themselves.

This really should be the end of this part of the story but I bet it continues for page after page.
 

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Exactly, but JP was willing to let him walk.

Let him walk? Fred made it clear there was nothing ISU could do... His exact words. What was Jamie supposed to do? Go all Jeff Van Gundy?

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Anyone ****** off about having to kill 4 hours in the middle of the day in Hawaii is an entitled *******.

Put me in the group that has spent a night or two intentionally staying over in an airport in order to save a buck, much less 4 hours in broad daylight. Shoot, I've done long layovers for the price of a candy bar. Granted, that was my money, and I'm probably a bigger cheapskate than Pollard. Well, at least my wife would tell you that.... well, and probably everyone else. Wow, good thing this website is free because the minute it wa.........................................
 
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The issue shouldn't be about Fred leaving. He was gone. 100% of the issue to me is how cheap Pollard is. If this was an isolated incident, then it wouldn't be an issue. But we've had little things come out here and there, with one thing in common that always seems to surface: Pollard is cheap

Is anyone refuting that?

But to use examples that 1) weren't true (making people pay for home game tix) or 2) weren't controlled by him (not getting an extra night in Hawaii for a few hours of time) is pretty silly to use as your prime examples.
 

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The issue shouldn't be about Fred leaving. He was gone. 100% of the issue to me is how cheap Pollard is. If this was an isolated incident, then it wouldn't be an issue. But we've had little things come out here and there, with one thing in common that always seems to surface: Pollard is cheap

So we've had someone point to reports that our MBB team is top 10 in amount of money spent recruiting, we have a brand new practice facility and the hotel reports are horribly exaggerated and not Pollard's purview. The tickets are explained as IRS law requiring them to pay taxes on sold out games (which ours almost always are) and the coaches families were told they could be flown to Hawaii (free of charge) or the NCAA (free of charge) but not both, something that Fred agreed to.... Where in all of that do we have evidence of Pollard being cheap? I'm not saying he's not, probably is, he's an accountant and his job is to balance the books for the AD.... I'm just not seeing why any of that says in those situations Pollard was horribly cheap.
 

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How do you know that Jamie just let Fred walk?

It was stated that Leath, Jamie, and Fred had a meeting. At this point, it was probably discussed what would happen if Fred left to the NBA. My guess is that Fred told them, if the right NBA team came along, that he will go to the NBA no matter what. Hopefully during this meeting Leath and Pollard pushed Fred in to what it would take to keep him. My guess is the result of this meeting was that no matter what, Fred would go to the NBA.

Fast forward to Fred to the NBA rumors. Donors are probably hearing this through the grapevine and approach Jamie about keeping Fred in Ames. Donors say how much they are willing to give in order to keep Fred. Jamie's response to them is most likely that Fred is going to the NBA and nothing will prevent him from doing that. The donors probably perceive this as Jamie not doing anything to keep Fred in Ames and therefore upsets them. However, because of the conversation between Leath, Pollard and Jamie earlier, Jamie knows that it won't matter what he does, Fred will be in the NBA.

I feel that Fred wanted to be in the NBA no matter what and there was nothing Jamie and Leath could do about it because that is what Fred wanted to do.

I think this is pretty close to what the situation was. I'm also pretty sure the money was there had it mattered, but it didn't. JP knew this and the donors have to be ****** at someone and since it can't be Fred, it will be the guy that told them it didn't matter.
 

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Put me in the group that has spent a night or two intentionally staying over in an airport in order to save a buck, much less 4 hours in broad daylight. Shoot, I've done long layovers for the price of a candy bar. Granted, that was my money, and I'm probably a bigger cheapskate than Pollard. Well, at least my wife would tell you that.... well, and probably everyone else. Wow, good thing this website is free because the minute it wa.........................................

Man dude, and we wonder why we don't have bigger donors at ISU.......
 

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What is there to explain? Hines isn't trying to say that it's unexplainable. It's obvious that it 1) ****** somebody off and 2) made a good headline. I feel like I've living in the pre-internet ages in this thread. The shock and outrage is hilarious. PC Brah.

And that deems a story be written that our athletics department doesn't support our basketball team?
 

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Hopefully there is a part two on the way for Hines' sake. Still can't fathom how this took months to work on, but there was no fact checking done?

He was a pretty solid journalist before all of this so it seems off. Maybe his sources were pushing him.

It took months to work on because he was probably trying to find corroboration for what he was told. It took this long to come up with what was printed. To me, the reporter can go two ways with that, say I don't have much here and take a different approach, or run with what little he has.

I have liked Hines' reporting for a long time, but if he thought this thin gruel was a blockbuster story, he isn't nearly the reporter a lot of people here thought he was.
 

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True the IRS tightened rules on Fringe Benefits within the last couple years. It all started with companies supplying meals to employees while the employees were in the office and not out on the road. The IRS was seeing companies use these meal expenses as a huge expense lowering their taxbale income but the employees were getting a benefit and not getting taxed on it. So the IRS started cracking down on these benefits (meals, car allowances, cell phone allowances, tickets, etc). I know at the company I was previously at they changed their cell phone reimbursement policy and made lunch $5 so they could avoid having to include those type of items as taxable wages on our W-2's.

Sounds to me like a lot of these "issues". Were simply poor communication and allowing misperceptions to fester. That along with the communication around Fred's salary and ticket prices and budget constrains etc. (If they were issues) aren't really material as much as how it was conveyed to others. I think communication issues are often the source of most employer-employee tension issues so not really specific to Pollard.

I do wish Pollard would have shut it down before it went public though. Feels like he knew it was BS and wanted to make Travis pay, send a warning shot to other reporters and discredit his critics all in one swoop. That said it worked and he usually is pretty masterful of managing public relations to his benefit.
 
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So we've had someone point to reports that our MBB team is top 10 in amount of money spent recruiting, we have a brand new practice facility and the hotel reports are horribly exaggerated and not Pollard's purview. The tickets are explained as IRS law requiring them to pay taxes on sold out games (which ours almost always are) and the coaches families were told they could be flown to Hawaii (free of charge) or the NCAA (free of charge) but not both, something that Fred agreed to.... Where in all of that do we have evidence of Pollard being cheap? I'm not saying he's not, probably is, he's an accountant and his job is to balance the books for the AD.... I'm just not seeing why any of that says in those situations Pollard was horribly cheap.

Agreed. Additionally - I think an AD is measured by two yardsticks. One is wins, the other is revenue. If something isn't contributing to revenue, but is costing a lot of unnecessary money, sometimes he has to make the unpopular decisions to cut some fun things. We are not an athletic department with unlimited resources, so you have to spend money where it's going to make money.