REFUTED: Travis Hines: A look into the ISU BBall program and the Athletic Dept

[AuH2O]

Only valid conclusion I can come up with, other than having no backbone, is that a donor wants to create a crapstorm that ousts the AD so they can donate to said pet project in the next AD administration.

Or they honestly thought their $1mil was going to keep Fred here and they just can't let it go.

This could be something I can imagine. I used to work for a significant donor and he was delusional about his knowledge and influence. He was very excited a few years ago to inform me that Macs replacement was going to be Harbaugh.

Seriously, I'm not sure why we have to dispute any of the facts of the story. This article follows a pattern. 1. Anonymous source makes general statement claiming problem with JP. 2. Example is vaguely worded. 3.Upon quick review and getting a simple understanding, example is a non-issue.

The hotel thing-even suggesting getting another night to avoid killing a few hours before the flight is ridiculous
The San Antonio vs Hawaii trip funding-makes total sense
JP using coaches salary as a constraint on budget during meetings-you're right idiot source, when planning the athletic budget a dramatic increase in the top line item costs should not be brought up because it might hurt somebody's feelings.

 

[IAStubborn]

Seems there would be better ways to do this than exaggerate and flat out lie while simultaneously damaging our basketball recruiting.

I also don't think anyone thought they were lying (or have any logical or factual reason to believe so). But I agree in not liking the tactic because of the effect on ISU. But am sure in their minds sometimes you have to tear the old house down to build the foundation and house you want.

 

[isutrevman]

Wow. I realize now this has nothing to do with Fred and JP's relationship. The "sources" have an agenda and that is to remove JP from the AD position.

Hines is being used by being presented with "facts" from "sources" that collaborate each other. They are trying to use Fred and JP's relationship as leverage to make a crack into JP's position.

If there is enough of an uproar then JP can be removed and the "sources" can then get the AD that they feel will take ISU to the next level.

My guess is JP doesn't bend over for some of the donors like they think he should, hence the comments about his "ego". They want an AD to be their puppet which JP is not. JP has the best interests of ISU in mind only, which is a fine line because he has to appease the donors to some degree to get their money.

 

[Gunnerclone]

They were hoping that with it would start the march to his termination would be my guess.

I would guess they were hoping this would be the final step on the march to termination. Have you seen our football program?

 

[Jer]

Thread reopened.

 

[RustShack]

That's the coaches responsibility, not the ADs. The AD can make it easier/harder, but hoping to "the next level" is all on the coach.

I agree 100%, which is why we should have an AD who will hire/retain said coach. Cael and Fred were two of the best coaches ever at Iowa State, and we will be lucky to ever have coaches like that again. Thanks to JP, they weren't able to reach their full potential here.

 

[keepngoal]

I agree 100%, which is why we should have an AD who will hire/retain said coach. Cael and Fred were two of the best coaches ever at Iowa State, and we will be lucky to ever have coaches like that again. Thanks to JP, they weren't able to reach their full potential here.

*deadhorse*

FH was leaving... didn't matter who the AD was.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

The truth has been refuted. Why are you ignoring that?

Do you watch the Tv's version of the news? Is there any truth that isn't refuted these days? I'm jaded, I'm ok with that.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I agree 100%, which is why we should have an AD who will hire/retain said coach. Cael and Fred were two of the best coaches ever at Iowa State, and we will be lucky to ever have coaches like that again. Thanks to JP, they weren't able to reach their full potential here.

All we had to do was turn pro and move the ISU franchise to Chicago and he'd still be with us.

 

[Deleted member 6804]

Grocery store tabloid journalism. By a less that mediocre sport department of a mediocre newspaper.

No identified sources, hearsay and other assorted malarkey, sounds like a national t news broadcast.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

This is a pretty long thread considering nothing new was really learned.
Yes, JP has an ego and is a hands on AD. And yes, coaches and ADs often have some disagreements and tension, particularly ADs with egos and that add less value than the coach. Unlike typical AD-coach relationships, JP should have appeased Hoiberg at every turn, and there are many in the ISU community that know this didn't happen.

JP is a good bean-counter, but he isn't infallible as an AD.

 

[SpokaneCY]

This is a pretty long thread considering nothing new was really learned.
Yes, JP has an ego and is a hands on AD. And yes, coaches and ADs often have some disagreements and tension, particularly ADs with egos and that add less value than the coach. Unlike typical AD-coach relationships, JP should have appeased Hoiberg at every turn, and there are many in the ISU community that know this didn't happen.

JP is a good bean-counter, but he isn't infallible as an AD.

What did Fred need that he didn't get?

 

[Doc]

This is a pretty long thread considering nothing new was really learned.
Yes, JP has an ego and is a hands on AD. And yes, coaches and ADs often have some disagreements and tension, particularly ADs with egos and that add less value than the coach. Unlike typical AD-coach relationships, JP should have appeased Hoiberg at every turn, and there are many in the ISU community that know this didn't happen.

JP is a good bean-counter, but he isn't infallible as an AD.

Blah blah blah

 

[32Cyclone Fan]

I didn't have time to read all the posts so maybe this has been posted. As usual the Iowa State Daily does a good job. I think there is a few new little tidbits in their story on the subject. It seems the general view is the unnamed sources must be former employees however I believe from reading between the lines that at least a player or former player would be the only person who would be privy to some of the information that was reported in the story. Whether the information is true or not isn't of importance to a person with an agenda. Of course I have no sources, it's just my story and I'm sticking to it.

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/sports/article_ec35ea40-67b9-11e5-b028-7359ac3ae839.html

 

[BACyclone]

Listen to it again he mumbled about not reading the whole article and wabt sure in that accusation and the pivoted back to the big picture and changed the subject by saying (to paraphrase) "jamie and I got along he wasn't why I left"

I listened to the whole thing. Fred said these two things: "I had zero issues with Jamie Pollard" and "I was 100% fine with how the basketball program was run."

You are trying too hard.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

What did Fred need that he didn't get?

A better AD.

 

[BACyclone]

Seems there would be better ways to do this than exaggerate and flat out lie while simultaneously damaging our basketball recruiting.

 

[Spam]

An absolutely shocking photo has emerged of the players sleeping on the ball room floor using luggage as beds and pillows at the alleged time (26th December 2013, approx. 4 PM)

 

[klamath632]

An absolutely shocking photo has emerged of the players sleeping on the ball room floor using luggage as beds and pillows at the alleged time (26th December 2013, approx. 4 PM)

I see two, possibly three, players in that photo. It doesn't do a thing to knock the assertion that some other players were tired and slept on their luggage on a ballroom floor.

 

[Spam]

I see two, possibly three, players in that photo. It doesn't do a thing to knock the assertion that some other players were tired and slept on their luggage on a ballroom floor.

The rest were in the pool, according to unnamed sources.

But seriously, shouldn't the onus be on the one making allegations to offer evidence? I'd say the picture posted above in addition to what Fred said is sufficient to discredit the hotel allegations. Or even Fred's comments alone.