It's been 2 & a half games if you count the second half of the Baylor game. 1 game against OU. I'd like to see what Sturdy has against KSU & WVU before I lump it on CPR. Confidence is not high.
FIRE PAUL RHOADS!!
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CycloneErik
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That's a completely misused statistic, since those bowl games happened during his first 4 years.
This is (likely) the 3rd straight year without a bowl. That's a pretty bad record anywhere.
Yes, there's no doubt. Go back and watch the replay. Both O-Line And D-Line were pushing Texas around. Every play was going to work against Texas, no matter who called it.
Yes but don't forget to mix in there that what should of been his best recruiting year coming off the biggest win in isu history was the year the Big 12 imploded. Hard to recruit when you don't even know what conference your going to be in. Follow that with some of the toughest schedules we've had and losing our best OC we've had in a long time. And even those three bowl games in four years allowed us to finally bring our facilities up to be at least on par with most of the big 12 he doesn't get to benefit from it.
Given all that if someone actually can make a valid and realistic argument for starting from scratch I'm all for it. So far I'm not impressed at all with the so called solutions bantered around here. Recruiting has always been the bane of ISU. I'm sorry but a mid major coach will not bring recruiting cache to ISU. Art Briles entire family is not Art Briles and we are still not in Texas. Player development comes from meaningful playing time. You can't simulate game speed is said for a reason. And getting playing time when on the wrong end of a blowout is not meaningful.
So no I don't fear change. What I do fear is change based on irrational reasoning.
Disagree completely. On the 3rd down run where we ended up scoring a TD, Lanning lowered his head and was hit short of the first down. Lanning powered his body and carried his tackler for a couple of yards and then extended his body and the football over the First Down marker and we got a First Down.
NO WAY does Sam at QB make that play. NO WAY. We would have been stopped short and would have punted. NO TD as a result. We would not have gotten a FG at the end of the first half as well. We converted 15 of 24 third downs and many of them were on Lanning runs and passes. And Lanning is so much better at the Zone Read than Sam. I like Sam and Sam made some good plays at times. But Lanning does a bit more and makes more plays.
I watched the replay and have been to the games. We would not have beaten Texas with Sam at QB. We would have worn down the defense and probably lost another close game.
Ridiculous. We beat Texas because we could run on them. We lost to Oklahoma because we couldn't run on them. Lanning/Richardson, that's a strawman. How Warren goes is how ISU goes. It doesn't get any simpler.
Always will be. Development is something really lacking.
Recruiting rankings don't show it but the guys Chizik brought in were pretty good. They 'looked' the part of Big 12 players and some of those guys are/were playing on Sundays. Since those guys have gone ISU has looked pretty bad.
ISU will always need to develop guys and that has just not happened. Heck we are still seeing tackling optional defense along with poor angles. I know Burnham is worshipped by a lot of folks around here but some of his best defensive performances can be offset by essentially Jr high defense in several games.
Player development does not necessarily come from meaningful game time. Development comes from weight room, proper coaching techniques and putting guys in where they have a chance to succeed. Red shirts years are a great start. Get some guys in on special teams as a frosh and some spot duty as Sophomores. When they are Jr/Sr they are acclimated to speed, have been taught proper techniques and have the strength to compete against Big 12 caliber guys. We have seen too much where ISU lines are pushed around by FCS schools, Tulsa and Toledo. I can understand having issues against the Big 12 schools but not against those I have listed.
And you would not get the same running threat with Sam at QB versus Lanning at QB. Lanning is a better runner and is also better at running the Zone Read than Sam.
If you don't think there is a difference in QB's running a Zone Read Offense then you just don't get it. Warren was greatly helped by having Lanning at QB.
I also think that Lanning's passes get there a split second sooner. That definitely helps the receiver.
Everyone goes to bowl games in today's college football. Hell they may even accept 5-7 teams this year. In TODAY'S college football a three year drought from even the Toilet Bowl is a lllllooooonnnngggg time.
I'm not completely sold on sub-par development by the staff. I think Rhoads' staff sucks at recruiting compared to Chizik. The one good thing Chizik did was find good raw talent. I would argue that Rhoads' guys can development can coach them up, get the most out of his guys. But the guys he's recruiting are not on the same talent level as the guys Chizik brought in.
Please note, I hate giving Chizik credit for anything. So don't kill me for comparing him and Rhoads, it's just easier to compare him instead of McCarney.
Go through the list of Chizik recruits. Some were very good......like Leonard Johnson, Terran Benton, Keleche Osemele, etc. But Chizik had an awful lot of busts as well.
THere were more DMac players on CPR's first team at ISU than there were Chizik players. The myth is that Chizik was responsible for a lot of those players but he was not. Arnaud and ARob were DMac players. Lots of DMac players on that team.
So Rhoads played no part in developing them? Proof please? Seems all those guys sing the praises of Rhoads.
How do you know it hasn't happened. You can't coach speed.
And around the country and by his players. Jr High defense. Riiggghhhtttt.
No but there is a reason coaches all the way from Jr. High to the NFL say you can't simulate game speed.
What makes you think they aren't. These guys are still one, two and three star recruits with one, two and three star speed. Plus special teams don't require mental speed, reading defenses, adjusting routes, reacting to plays ect...
Sounds like a recruiting issue.
If you can find a coach that has proven to do these things better then Rhoads at a school comparable to ISU then maybe I'll be all for it. So far no one has produced a name with a legitimate chance of either doing that or becoming our coach. Until that time I will hope Rhoads can develop some recruiting momentum which maybe only can come from coaching longevity and stability at ISU. And no that is not an endorsement of mediocrity or an unlimited timeframe.
Yeah, there were busts. Sedrick Johnson was a waste of a perfectly good scholarship. But there were good ones too for sure.
What are you referring to that Rhoads has been doing so well? I'm lost. Last I checked he's a long way from even being close to .500. Ultimately his fate will be his inability to win games. You can sugar coat recruiting and player development as much as you want but Paul is the one responsible. There's no excuses for the inability to be competitive in a pretty weak conference. He hasn't proved he can get the job done. Life is short, it's time to take a different Rhoad.
