S&C interview posted on another site...

D UP Clones

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You're the one who missed the point in regard to injured players and the squat machines.

Sure I did. That's called a leg press machine, not a squat machine. It's not the same exercise in case you need to go look it up.

Either way that wasn't what the original poster said, but by all means have at it.
 

klamath632

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Sure I derped. That's derped a leg press machine, not a squat machine. It's not the same exercise in case you need to derp derp it up.

Either way that wasn't what the original poster derped, but by all means derp at it.
 

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I've heard multiple staffs tell us we aren't strong. We're just not strong at what this staff thinks is inkstand. Time will tell if it matters.
Thought we had several pics last year showing 500 pound squat clubbers. Did those guys lose it?
 

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How would a squat machine help an injured player? You're using the same muscles as you would if you were squatting with a bar.
Did you even read the interview?

What new equipment did you add? [FONT=proxima_regular]RW: If you think about common football injuries you’ll see a lot of finger and hand injuries that will at least for a limited amount of time prohibit a guy from holding a bar. So we needed no-hands pieces [and] got some for the upper and lower body where, say a guy breaks his hand, before in here if a guy breaks his hand you wouldn’t be able to train that side of his body. We got a couple pieces where you can train that side of his body without holding weight in your hand.[/FONT]
[FONT=proxima_regular]Then we got a squat machine. If a guy has a hand or elbow injury he can still do a ground-based squat in a machine. We added some no-knees and no-ankle pieces, so you have hands, shoulders, knees, ankles, and we got some pieces that will not load through the ankles, we got one that won’t load through the knees.[/FONT]
 
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Sure I did. That's called a leg press machine, not a squat machine. It's not the same exercise in case you need to go look it up.

Either way that wasn't what the original poster said, but by all means have at it.

No it's not Mr. Universe. Wade explained it in the interview.

How would a squat machine help an injured player? You're using the same muscles as you would if you were squatting with a bar.

FFS, did some of you huff paint when your were little? Of course they aren't doing squats when they have lower body injuries.
 

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You said it much more politely than I would have.

To the other poster.....Rhoads too involved in S&C? I thought the party line was that he gave Yancy too much decidion making?

The comments on this board never cease to amaze me. The percentage on this board who actually know anything about weight lifting for athletes is probably 10%.

Squat machine? My goodness.

Doesn't sound like you read the article. The squat machine they put in enable guys with lower body injuries to still squat while somehow unloading the ankles or knees somewhat so it's not just a "squat" machine. Same with the guys with hand and finger injuries in that it allows them to keep training even when they can't hold a bar.
 

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Sure I did. That's called a leg press machine, not a squat machine. It's not the same exercise in case you need to go look it up.

Either way that wasn't what the original poster said, but by all means have at it.

Again - you may want to read the article and then measure you're vast knowledge with Ruddy Wade - the guy the put the MACHINES in.
 

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I was talking shoulder and wrist injuries.

All right Mr. Know-it-all. I guess since you're such a freeking strength and conidition genius, maybe you can enlighten us between the difference in strength gains you will acheive through doing a stand squat,(smith machine) or the leg press. Did you maybe consider that you get a better core workout with the smith machine? No need for machines? What if the kid had terrible form because his quads are under developed compared to his ham strings? Machines are a great way to get people's form right. It's not about how much weight you're doing it's about how WELL you're doing the lift. Go to any gym anywhere, they will almost ALWAYS have machines to accomadate hurt players and or other needs, but then I'm sure you already knew all these things.
 

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So to me it sounds like Wade and Yancy came from 2 different schools of lifting theory.

Wade - Build overall strength and mass doing the core lifts with heavy weights to build power and muscle mass across the whole frame. Do not train for specific movements as that will be covered in the skills training on the field. Instead build overall strength. The theory being the core lifts develop everything and you need to develop everything for every athlete, then you mold them for what you want on the field in football drills. Lift to build power then practice the sport for performance and muscle memory.

Yancy - Concentrate on the specific muscles and movements used for the actions the athlete has to perform on the field more then training for general strength. Target exercise much more to the football actions each position has to perform. Maximize the training in these specific areas. Thus the specific speed training on treadmills to increase straight line speed for WR, RB and DBs, Squats more than bench for linemen, etc. Target the specific workout to what the player has to do on the field. Don't waste training time on things that don't matter. So train for muscle memory and performance at the same time you build power in specific motions possibly different for different positions.

This is what I have concluded from reading a lot of interviews with each but I'm not expert enough to have an opinion on which is better. I can definitely see how a group trained using one approach would not test well using tests to measure the opposite approach.
 

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All right Mr. Know-it-all. I guess since you're such a freeking strength and conidition genius, maybe you can enlighten us between the difference in strength gains you will acheive through doing a stand squat,(smith machine) or the leg press. Did you maybe consider that you get a better core workout with the smith machine? No need for machines? What if the kid had terrible form because his quads are under developed compared to his ham strings? Machines are a great way to get people's form right. It's not about how much weight you're doing it's about how WELL you're doing the lift. Go to any gym anywhere, they will almost ALWAYS have machines to accomadate hurt players and or other needs, but then I'm sure you already knew all these things.
Never said I was a strength and conditioning genius. Squats and leg press basically work the same muscles. If you worried about form start with a lower weight. Once you have good form you can start building up. It's not rocket science.
 

CyInDFW

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Thought we had several pics last year showing 500 pound squat clubbers. Did those guys lose it?

If I remember that was two years ago because Farniok was in the picture...

but hey I could be wrong...if I am I'm sure someone will point it out to me in a comment showing their superior knowledge of the subject