ISU/WVU post game thread

[Spam]

Wow. If true, that is astounding. Why on earth would an AD who claimed there was a Big XII officiating conspiracy against ISU ask for coaching recommendations from officials? I seriously would believe this though, seeing how Pollard puts so much importance on things not related to actual coaching during the hiring process...

See the 3.55 mark of the Prohm introduction

[video=youtube;zfCrmd7mrN8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfCrmd7mrN8[/video]

I don't necessarily think that misbehaving with officials is the right way to go. Refs mostly seem to get swayed by accomplished coaches, rather than badly behaved coaches. Prohm screaming manically at the coaches isn't going to change a thing at this point in his career.

 

[kingcy]

Good thing Fred cut players like SDW and Custer. Gibson also although he would be gone by now. We go from cutting guys like Amardi to having walk-ons coming off the bench in just a year.

Because those players are lighting it up now?

 

[CycloneDaddy]

Why would you drown your sorrows?

Because a 6 seed means we would have lost a home game to either KSU or OSU, that would be bad.

 

[chuckd4735]

Morris is playing over 40 min/game in conference play, you have to find a way to steal mins along the way. There are plenty of opportuniites to get Ashton or Cooke a min or two before a timeout to extend the rest for a starter.

This. I don't care if they come in the game and the opponent scores 6 or 8 straight. The benefit of having more rested starters at the end of the have out weighs the risk of playing Ashton, Cooke and Cater, for 3 or 4 minutes each half, IMO.

 

[Klubber]

Exactly!!

I sure hope the people complaining about Prohm's demeanor on the sidelines ******* about their hero Hoiberg too because all he did was stand there with his arms up.

Not true. Freddie was laid back to be sure but he didn't let the refs run roughshod over him. He got T'd up in the NCAA Tourney against UK. We went on a huge run after that. "F'ng Bull****" I think was the remark from Freddie that earned that one. There were a few other times he got T'd up as well. Man, do I miss Fred; 10 times the coach that Saint Steve will ever be.

We beat WV twice last year and didn't have the foul disparity against them like this year. The refs boned us against WV at Hilton this year as well.

 

[CyFan03]

If we have to play wvu in the Big 12 tourney, I'd just as soon forfeit. No way we make it out of that game a 3rd time without a season ending injury.

 

[acgclone]

Morris is playing over 40 min/game in conference play, you have to find a way to steal mins along the way. There are plenty of opportuniites to get Ashton or Cooke a min or two before a timeout to extend the rest for a starter.

Ashton is horrible and gives you nothing. Cooke isn't much better and Prohm is trying to make a statement with Cooke. We will see if it's worth it next year but for now it seems a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[GTO]

Abandon thread!

 

[SolarGarlic]

Using lunardi is cute. He is wrong on seeding all the time. Plus, there is still time.

Bracket Matrix has us as the 3rd 4 seed. It combines every notable online bracket. We're likely a 5 seed with opportunities to get to a 3 and won't fall below 6.

 

[kingcy]

Morris is playing over 40 min/game in conference play, you have to find a way to steal mins along the way. There are plenty of opportuniites to get Ashton or Cooke a min or two before a timeout to extend the rest for a starter.

This is why. If you think this team plays bad D when the starters are it gets really bad when the starters are out.

 

[NoCreativity]

Because those players are lighting it up now?

SDW averages 9 points and 7 rebounds a game. He would have at least been servicable to provide 10-15 minutes a game. Custer was small but a solid shooter and ball handler. All I'm saying is these guys could have provided the depth we needed this year had Hoiberg not ran them out of town.

 

[SolarGarlic]

I wish I were that confident. We have a tendency to play down to the competition. Guess I better hope for a double digit seed.

I'm not sure that's accurate. We've lost nine games, but 7 of them have been away from home and 6 of those were to tournament teams. I'd say we're anywhere from 15-25th depending on the night. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

 

[chuckd4735]

Yes they can. This is a tough team to get ready for on short notice. If you are a team that has never played ISU, that would make it even harder.

This is why. If you think this team plays bad D when the starters are it gets really bad when the starters are out.

I still say the benefit of having rested starters at the end of a game outweighs the risk of playing them. I'd rather be down 10 with 4 mins left and rested starters than up 10 with 4 minutes left and tired starters.

 

[AuH2O]

One thing that has me somewhat optimistic is that I can't remember a good season lacking continuity and requiring so many role adjustments. The team seems to be playing well and Naz goes down. Then there is the adjustment figuring out Burton's role as he works into the rotation. Then the McKay disruption. If McKay can give great effort and play the role he needs to, by the end of the regular season guys should finally have continuity in their roles

 

[HornacekFan1414]

If we have to play wvu in the Big 12 tourney, I'd just as soon forfeit. No way we make it out of that game a 3rd time without a season ending injury.

Them or Baylor are most likely it appears, neither bode well for us as matchups go...

 

[spelhome]

Thank you uh, Terminate the Head Coach.
Not because of this game, not because of our lack of depth, not because of his use of substitution or clock management, But more because of his lack of coaching effort. He didn't set up one play. He didn't argue one call, he hardly even praised a single effort by any of his own players. The only thing he's proven to me, is he knows how to suspend a player, and not communicate very well to the public (and probably his own team) IDK But what I DO know, is a team with this much talent has never underperformed (or underachieved) like this before. Coaching...

You must have missed last year's 1 and only NCAA game? Talking about terminating the HC is just so ignorant, I know I shouldn't respond, but cant help myself.

CSP has so far done about as well as fred did last year, without naz, with someone else's players and no bench (thanks to fred), and a big man with some issues between the ears. And in a much better (much) B12. Please give it a rest. you sound really stupid. really.

 

[jkclone]

Ashton is horrible and gives you nothing. Cooke isn't much better and Prohm is trying to make a statement with Cooke. We will see if it's worth it next year but for now it seems a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

This is one thing I don't get. Why does Cooke not get more opportunities. I mean neither one is playing well but only one really has a future. I also don't get why we never see Carter. I don't want to see even minor minutes, but when we are in foul trouble he can spell us and not do to bad.

 

[cyatheart]

We're not good on defense.

This team is average defensively when they aren't tired, which is good enough as good as they are offensively. Problem is they are wore out, I think it's pretty clear at this point. It's not that they don't care, it's not they they aren't playing hard. They are just bruised, tired, sore and wore out. I think McKay just broke down physically first and then mentally. A day or two rest isn't going to do it either.

Imagine if I would have told you how well Burton, Thomas and Nader were going to play and still only win 10 Big 12 games. Shocking really.

 

[Jer]

This is one thing I don't get. Why does Cooke not get more opportunities. I mean neither one is playing well but only one really has a future. I also don't get why we never see Carter. I don't want to see even minor minutes, but when we are in foul trouble he can spell us and not do to bad.

Seriously, this is like ISU fans always arguing the the backup QB that has never played is the best guy on the roster. Carter wouldn't play for Drake and you want us to depend on him against WVU? Put that crack down and go to bed.

 

[CyTwins]

SDW averages 9 points and 7 rebounds a game. He would have at least been servicable to provide 10-15 minutes a game. Custer was small but a solid shooter and ball handler. All I'm saying is these guys could have provided the depth we needed this year had Hoiberg not ran them out of town.

SDW averages 7 and 5 while shooting 35% from the floor in the Horizon League. Doubt he'd provide us a better option than what we have now