Steve Prohm Report Card thus far

How has Steve Prohm done in your opinion?

  • Great - The best hire we could have had. Took a team with high expectations and got them to the Swee

    Votes: 106 25.0%
  • Good - This season was a little disappointing but I think once Steve gets his own players things wil

    Votes: 198 46.7%
  • Jury still out - Had some positives and negatives during the season. Not sure about Prohm yet.

    Votes: 109 25.7%
  • Not good - Not a fan of the man but willing to give him another year or so.

    Votes: 6 1.4%
  • Hate the hire - Still wish we had hired someone else and the underachieving regular season proves th

    Votes: 5 1.2%

  • Total voters
    424

Bret44

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5th Sweet 16 in school history.

Lost Emotional Leader and 3 point threat.

Dealt with a Prima Donna which cost us 2 games.

Short Bench.

Every loss to Tournament Teams.

Let's say a D-
 

GTO

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5th Sweet 16 in school history.

Lost Emotional Leader and 3 point threat.

Dealt with a Prima Donna which cost us 2 games.

Short Bench.

Every loss to Tournament Teams.

Let's say a D-
I don't know where you see a D-. That resume screams F-, if there is no such thing, we need to create it.

:jimlad:
 

Sioux_Per_Cy

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Okay, realistically speaking, Largest margin of defeat in the regular season is 10.He loses Naz 8 games in. We all know what a healthy Naz can do. McKay goes rogue on him mid year and he did what he needed to do to set the expectations for the program. Think back to GMAC with the point guard from Chicago that he suspended then played him anyway. I am not saying with a healthy Long or a focused McKay they would win all of those games but they win at least half.then the season looks a little different. The lack of depth became very evident at the end of the season.

With that being said I thought he navigated a very difficult situation extremely well.
 

fsanford

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Too early to tell, so I go with C.
has not proven he can recruit at this level, let the players run the team too long. Still no defense.
I know it was a tough job to inherit, in some ways, and I am certainly willing to give him time.
i do give him credit for dealing with Jameel though.

So without the extra credit you would hsve given him a D? :)
 
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Rural

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You can usually tell a few games into the season whether a team has "it" or not.

This year it was obvious that the national championship/league championship thing was fantasy.
 

trevn

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I really hope Prohm is watching Villanova closely. That is a team that I think we could emulate from a personnel standpoint. They're fun to watch on offense and they play great D. I love that they mix in a 3/4 court trap. They also play a little zone, a little man, some switching, sometimes they don't switch, some trapping...it's just a mix and match of all kinds of defenses and they keep the opponent off balance most of the game. Fundamentally, they all rebound very well, despite being the shorter team. Their box outs were a thing of beauty to watch against Kansas. They also out-hustle almost everyone they play, which I know is something we all value.
 

Cychl82

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I would give him a B considering the situation he was thrown into, coming from the conference he did into the Big 12 and the new staff along with Naz being out. His recruiting looks to be above average and hopefully he keeps TJ on staff. Ill reserve most judgment until the end of year 3 though IMO.
 

CyKings

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Really, people voted hate the hire? Even after Naz went down with an injury? I think at that point realistically sweet 16 should have been expectation, everything else would be gravy... Come on Man...
 

Dannynoonan

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i like prohm's honesty in saying that it's all about talent and that he and staff need to recruit thier butts off. we need to get bigger and thicker with our bigs.
i also appreciate his humility in saying that he will spend the off season focusing on learning as much as he can about defense. i think he will do great things here!
 

bawbie

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A-. Third longest ranked team in the nation, lots of adversity to overcome, and Sweet Sixteen, and we should stay ranked after the NCAA.

I was just thinking about this. It seems possible, if not probably, that our school-record streak of being ranked comes to an end when the preseason polls come out next year.
 

mcblogerson

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His one year report card is A-

How he handles the next 2 years will be his make or break. He was handed a roster full of talent and a program with a lot of momentum. The big question is if he can recruit the talent we need to make the tourney almost every year.
 

SCyclone

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The title of the poll ends "thus far", and so my evaluation is based on exactly that. (We can't really talk about his upcoming recruits, since they haven't played a single minute yet.)

It became pretty obvious as the season wore on that the players had been slow to buy in to his vision and coaching philosophies. The seniors and juniors were used to a certain way of doing things under CFH (such as not practicing defense, etc) and were likely suffering a little shock in the transition. Of course, being young men who have been praised and adored most of their lives probably affected that situation, too.

But eventually everyone - even McKay - came around to realize that CSP had only their best interests in mind. (Of course, them succeeding guarantees his success, too.) And that's when things really began to take off.

I give him an "A" for perseverance, and for coaching above and beyond X's and O's. This is college basketball, after all, and there are so many things more important for them. CSP realizes this, and tries to make them better men, not just better players.

I give him a "C" for overall coaching, although I thought he made huge strides at the end. He did the best he could with what he had, and I think we can all agree that he had some serious limitations. When he makes this program his own, and tailors his roster accordingly, then we can re-evaluate.
 

Tre4ISU

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while you're correct, what are the adjusted ken-pom defensive stats? If they are that much worse, does losing Naz explain that? This question isn't just to you.

I'm curious to hear what people think about the 20 spot drop off. Less depth (Naz)? Pushing the pace more?

Another reason I bring it up is because Murray St. was 15th in Adj. D in Prohm's first year but slid considerably after that.

I think bodies were part of it but he also lost the McKay of old for the vast majority of the season. This team just really didn't have a strong desire to play defense a lot of the time and when you take away that 7th body it just gets worse because now they have a foul trouble excuse.
 

Gunnerclone

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I think bodies were part of it but he also lost the McKay of old for the vast majority of the season. This team just really didn't have a strong desire to play defense a lot of the time and when you take away that 7th body it just gets worse because now they have a foul trouble excuse.

I can't imagine how many games we lose if Morris and/or Niang had foul trouble every game. It's a good strategy not to foul when you have a really efficient offense depth/defensive problems aside.
 

CRAZYGREG

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Return of 1st team all american
Return of Big 12 DPOY
Return of best PG in the Big 12
Return of a roster that finished 1 game from Big 12 regular season title
10-8 in conference (1 game above .500)
2 home losses!
Loss to UNI
First round Big 12 loss
Highest seed beaten in NCAA (12) - Not his fault Purdue lost but still
Not even competitive with UVA - even with home crowd

The Loss of Naz was not a good thing - BUT - It is not like we lost an all Big 12 caliber player here. Career Under 10 pt scorer. Suspect Defense. Not trying to tear him down - but people on here talk bout him being the difference between a CRAP season (yes crap - with this roster) and a national title.

C- Totally underwhelming season. CSP can thank Georges that this isn't an F
 

CycloneBBFan

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Prohm walked into a team with one of the worst defense efficiency in the nation with a final rank of 175. Who are people kidding? This team was so damn spoiled and never "bought in" until the NCAA. Even Niang finally admitted that post his last meeting with Prohm pre-tournament play. The juvenile behavior by Jameel McKay reflected that. Prohm's Murry State teams at one time ranked as high as #19 defensive efficiency including D1. Blaming the coach is always an easy out and gives people something to B*tch about.
 

madguy30

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5th Sweet 16 in school history.

Lost Emotional Leader and 3 point threat.

Dealt with a Prima Donna which cost us 2 games.

Short Bench.

Every loss to Tournament Teams.

Let's say a D-

The 5th Sweet Sixteen in school history thing kills me vs. what people are expecting.

IIRC there were a few posters basically thinking a Final Four was the only way for this group to be successful.

Perhaps' those folks' goals should be to watch more basketball outside the Big 12, along with a short study on why actual elite programs like UNC, Duke, etc., aren't in the Final Four every single year.
 

jsb

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Return of 1st team all american
Return of Big 12 DPOY
Return of best PG in the Big 12
Return of a roster that finished 1 game from Big 12 regular season title
10-8 in conference (1 game above .500)
2 home losses!
Loss to UNI
First round Big 12 loss
Highest seed beaten in NCAA (12) - Not his fault Purdue lost but still
Not even competitive with UVA - even with home crowd

The Loss of Naz was not a good thing - BUT - It is not like we lost an all Big 12 caliber player here. Career Under 10 pt scorer. Suspect Defense. Not trying to tear him down - but people on here talk bout him being the difference between a CRAP season (yes crap - with this roster) and a national title.

C- Totally underwhelming season. CSP can thank Georges that this isn't an F

please tell me how many NCAA teams lost less than 2 at home?