Steve Prohm Report Card thus far

[SwirlyBird]

2.

Again, he could only beat who was in front of him and he did. He lost to a number 1 seed. That's life. That's how the tournament ends for all teams.

I simply think it is stupid to ***** about how we got to the sweet 16. We got there. "Genius" coaches like bob Huggins, Scott drew, Shaka smart, tom izzo didn't. They all lost to the double digit seeds that you are bashing prohm for beating.

What do you think about hoiberg?

 

[Tre4ISU]

What do you think about hoiberg?

I think there's a good chance he has at least a final Four and another Sweet 16 if Babb doesn't roll his ankle and Niang doesn't break his foot.

I do think he would have had to eventually tighten up the locker room a little. We saw the issues this year and in hindsight, I think that was a matter of time no matter who the coach was.

 

[RandomFan]

2.

Again, he could only beat who was in front of him and he did. He lost to a number 1 seed. That's life. That's how the tournament ends for all teams.

I simply think it is stupid to ***** about how we got to the sweet 16. We got there. "Genius" coaches like bob Huggins, Scott drew, Shaka smart, tom izzo didn't. They all lost to the double digit seeds that you are bashing prohm for beating.

Good lord you can twist some words! I'm not "********" about how we got there. And I wasn't "bashing" Prohm. I just said the jury is still out. I never said I don't like him or I thought he did a bad job, I'm just not completely sold on him yet.

 

[jsb]

What do you think about hoiberg?

What do you think about him?

 

[CycloneErik]

I'll also say that I don't think our fanbase can handle success in the long run. This past year has been brutal when actually trying to talk about basketball with our fans.

Agreed. We are not built for it unless we change our tudes. We really have no idea what success can be.

 

[GTO]

Good lord you can twist some words! I'm not "********" about how we got there. And I wasn't "bashing" Prohm. I just said the jury is still out. I never said I don't like him or I thought he did a bad job, I'm just not completely sold on him yet.

 

[jsb]

Good lord you can twist some words! I'm not "********" about how we got there. And I wasn't "bashing" Prohm. I just said the jury is still out. I never said I don't like him or I thought he did a bad job, I'm just not completely sold on him yet.

Heaven forbid someone disagree with you. Your argument was defendable until you brought in the idea that getting to the Sweet 16 beating 2 double digit seeds diminishes it. The team (that placed 6th in the league) earned a 4 seed. By earning a 4 seed, they earned the right to play a double digit seed.

 

[jsb]

Agreed. We are not built for it unless we change our tudes. We really have no idea what success can be.

There were an alarming number of people on here during the year that were convinced that next year would be better because we wouldn't win as much.

 

[CycloneErik]

There were an alarming number of people on here during the year that were convinced that next year would be better because we wouldn't win as much.

Was it that we wouldn't win or because the expectations would be less? I think it was the second, but it was still odd to me.

 

[Cy$]

His offense was better than Fred's was without the best shooter on the team. Think about that.

I know no one ever reads that fact and changes their opinion even when their opinion is that of a third graders basketball intellect, but I'm still going to use it because it's important.

while you're correct, what are the adjusted ken-pom defensive stats? If they are that much worse, does losing Naz explain that? This question isn't just to you.

I'm curious to hear what people think about the 20 spot drop off. Less depth (Naz)? Pushing the pace more?

Another reason I bring it up is because Murray St. was 15th in Adj. D in Prohm's first year but slid considerably after that.

 

[jsb]

Was it that we wouldn't win or because the expectations would be less? I think it was the second, but it was still odd to me.

Probably the reason you give. Either way, it was baffling. We were having a great season by most team's standards and especially Iowa State's standards and people were hoping we'd be a bubble team.

I certainly expect that a majority of these people will be content if we lose more games next year. But somehow I suspect that anything less than what was accomplished this year will be trouble.

 

[jsb]

while you're correct, what are the adjusted ken-pom defensive stats? If they are that much worse, does losing Naz explain that?

I'm curious to hear what people think about the 20 spot drop off. Less depth (Naz)? Pushing the pace more?

Who knows? I don't think anyone thinks Prohm is a perfect coach. I think the point that some are trying to make is that in some ways, he was comparable to what we had before. And I think it is worth challenging those who think he deserves a C or worse for his season to support that argument.

In my opinion, Holberg is a better coach. But he didn't want to be here. So we had to find someone who did. And that someone managed to have a very good season. It wasn't perfect, but hell Holberg failed to have a perfect season too.

 

[RandomFan]

Your argument was defendable until you brought in the idea that getting to the Sweet 16 beating 2 double digit seeds diminishes it.

It doesn't diminish it, it still goes down as on our 5th sweet 16 appearance ever. Thats great, as i said in my original post. But it was an easier path than it could have been, even for a team that got a 4 seed, that's just a fact.

 

[jsb]

It doesn't diminish it, it still goes down as on our 5th sweet 16 appearance ever. Thats great, as i said in my original post. But it was an easier path than it could have been, even for a team that got a 4 seed, that's just a fact.

And like I said, Bob Huggins, Tom Izzo, Scott Drew, Shaka Smart, Matt Painter, and the Arizona coach didn't manage to beat a double digit seed ONE time, let alone twice. So is Steve Prohm a better coach than all of them?

 

[GTO]

It doesn't diminish it, it still goes down as on our 5th sweet 16 appearance ever. Thats great, as i said in my original post. But it was an easier path than it could have been, even for a team that got a 4 seed, that's just a fact.

All you're doing is going by seeding. Would you say 7 see Iowa is a harder team to beat than 11 seed Gonzaga?

 

[exCYtable]

Like Charles Barkley just said after the Syracuse vs UVA game. The difference between the good coaches and the great coaches are those that can make successfull in game adjustments.
Does that describe SP from anything I saw this year? Nope.
Not to many D1 coaches couldn't have got 6th place in a 10 team league.
Lost the 1st round of the Big 12 T.
Beat 2 double digits seeds with this line up.
The only time all year I thought he did something brilliant was the inbound play vs OU. Otherwise I don't see how anyone can give him above a C right now. Some of his end of game coaching was atrocious.

Did you SEE our full-court press against Virginia? Syracuse is built defensively. We weren't. Prohm tried the same things Boeheim did, just didn't have the parts to make it work. Virginia gave us an open door to come back Friday night too, but we couldn't get the shots to fall like Syracuse could late in the game.

 

[RandomFan]

And like I said, Bob Huggins, Tom Izzo, Scott Drew, Shaka Smart, Matt Painter, and the Arizona coach didn't manage to beat a double digit seed ONE time, let alone twice. So is Steve Prohm a better coach than all of them?

He may be, but to this point in his career he has not accomplished nearly as much as those coaches have. Thats kinda the whole point of "the jury is still out"!

 

[RandomFan]

All you're doing is going by seeding. Would you say 7 see Iowa is a harder team to beat than 11 seed Gonzaga?

I'm not only going by seeding, Purdue was #15 in the RPI. I certainly believe they would have posed a more difficult challenge than Little Rock, even though Little Rock was able to get hot enough to beat them on that one night.

 

[cyatheart]

He may be, but to this point in his career he has not accomplished nearly as much as those coaches have. Thats kinda the whole point of "the jury is still out"!

I think he has to improve a lot in game, I think he would be the first guy to admit that. My guess is, the grind of the conference schedule suprised him some, there really is no way he could have been prepared for that however.

The learning curve is steep here, he has a tough job. Most nights he will be up against some of the best coaching minds that exist right now and people expect to win, the fan base isn't going to tolerate a couple down years.

Self, Tubby Smith, Lon Kruger, Shaka Smart, Bob Huggins....all of those guys are ridiculously good coaches, and all of those guys have years and years of expeience on him and a lot more places to go get guys. Ok State has a good coach now, Scott Drew isn't great but he will always recruit like hell. Play all those guys twice and that is 14 games you are up against an elite coach,

I think if someone would have told you....you will have two Big 12 AP first teamers, two coaches honorable mentions, and the newcomer of the year in addition to the returning Big 12 defensive player of they year, and they are all different players....you would have expected better than a 6th place finish.

Now, clearly this team was limited in a lot ways and I was happy how they finished. Time will tell, if he is going to sustain this momentum, he has to recruit at least on the level we were at, which was pretty high. This team as it will be constituted next year, will still be Fred's guys. Naz, Morris, Matt Thomas, Burton, Babb....all those guys are Fred recruits. This offseason is the make or break recruiting period for him, he has to land some talent and keep us in the conversation for 2 and 3 years down the road.

 

[jsb]

I think he has to improve a lot in game, I think he would be the first guy to admit that. My guess is, the grind of the conference schedule suprised him some, there really is no way he could have been prepared for that however.

The learning curve is steep here, he has a tough job. Most nights he will be up against some of the best coaching minds that exist right now and people expect to win, the fan base isn't going to tolerate a couple down years.

Self, Tubby Smith, Lon Kruger, Shaka Smart, Bob Huggins....all of those guys are ridiculously good coaches, and all of those guys have years and years of expeience on him and a lot more places to go get guys. Ok State has a good coach now, Scott Drew isn't great but he will always recruit like hell. Play all those guys twice and that is 14 games you are up against an elite coach,

I think if someone would have told you....you will have two Big 12 AP first teamers, two coaches honorable mentions, and the newcomer of the year in addition to the returning Big 12 defensive player of they year, and they are all different players....you would have expected better than a 6th place finish.

Now, clearly this team was limited in a lot ways and I was happy how they finished. Time will tell, if he is going to sustain this momentum, he has to recruit at least on the level we were at, which was pretty high. This team as it will be constituted next year, will still be Fred's guys. Naz, Morris, Matt Thomas, Burton, Babb....all those guys are Fred recruits. This offseason is the make or break recruiting period for him, he has to land some talent and keep us in the conversation for 2 and 3 years down the road.

Tied for 5th place.