Shaka has been to the NCAA Tournament in 6 of his 7 years as a head coach. Nobody is calling this a successful year for Texas but the track record of making the NCAA Tournament and having a Final 4 on his resume gives me some faith that he can coach in the Power 5.
Bad day for the Steven can coach crowd.
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Shaka has been to the NCAA Tournament in 6 of his 7 years as a head coach. Nobody is calling this a successful year for Texas but the track record of making the NCAA Tournament and having a Final 4 on his resume gives me some faith that he can coach in the Power 5.
Fred had McKay and Niang on his roster at that time. Not exactly like they could have pulled a quality big if that kid wanted playing time right away.
Him catching lightning in a bottle and taking an 11 seed to the Final Four doesn't prove he's a great coach anymore than Prohm leading Murray State to a 31-2 record and winning National Coach of the Year from a couple sources proves he is.
But Fred would have landed Diallo if he was committed to staying right? Seems like your theory hold no water.
Are you guys able to function at work/school the day after an ISU basketball game? I have an image in my mind of some of you standing in the break room at work giving everyone your analysis and having everyone snicker at you as they walk away. Like a carnival sideshow.
This team is not, never was, and never will be as good as many fans' over hyped expectations were, at the beginning of the season.
Do I wish Prohm would have brought in competent post player this past of season? Absolutely. However, there is no denying that he tried very hard. He tried with 5 different guys, but call it whatever, none really worked out for this season.
I think some of you completely over estimate the amount of quality post players there are available in the spring, and there's even less when you get into May. On top of that, they're not free agents where you can just offer a larger amount of money than your counter parts. They're kids, and you can't force them to have interest in your program.
Go back and look, I don't think some of you realize just how little most of those guys are producing where they are now.
Do I wish Prohm would have brought in competent post player this past of season? Absolutely. However, there is no denying that he tried very hard. He tried with 5 different guys, but call it whatever, none really worked out for this season.
I think some of you completely over estimate the amount of quality post players there are available in the spring, and there's even less when you get into May. On top of that, they're not free agents where you can just offer a larger amount of money than your counter parts. They're kids, and you can't force them to have interest in your program.
Go back and look, I don't think some of you realize just how little most of those guys are producing where they are now.
So Prohm cant do all this stuff you mentioned but what he can do is drain 18 3's in Lawrence? Thats the attitude of some posters after we beat Kansas. It cant go both ways.
Did I ever say that Diallo was coming here? Steve Prohm had an opportunity last year to get 25-27 wins and create some major recruiting momentum for 16-17. He didn't do it. To his credit he has signed Lewis and Wiggington
this year both of whom could be special players for us.
Lots of people on this site have said that Diallo would have been a Cyclone if Fred had been committed to staying here, I don't know, or care, if you were one of them. It's pretty well known information around these parts. So for you to say that a big who wanted to play right away wouldn't have come here because we had Niang and McKay is a misrepresentation of the facts.
So he ended up leading the team to 23 wins and a Sweet 16 birth while having one of the key players the team was counting on (McKay) be a head case for a month in the middle of the season? Man he sure is terrible. #jimladshouldntbeneeded
ISU Basketball fan = hok football fan now.
Pretty sad but it's been a good ride being an ISU fan the past 30 years. Lots of downs, a few great ups, but knowledge and optimism was always there and it was fun and we always had the moral high ground.
Now it's stupidity and a game by game roller coaster that's just not fun. It's no wonder real hok fans (alumni) have disappeared and don't really care about hok sports any longer. My hok friends give their money and buy their tickets and never use them themselves. They only watch games on TV with a tight circle of like-minded hoks. That's what I need I think.
Pretty sad but it's been a good ride being an ISU fan the past 30 years. Lots of downs, a few great ups, but knowledge and optimism was always there and it was fun and we always had the moral high ground.
Now it's stupidity and a game by game roller coaster that's just not fun. It's no wonder real hok fans (alumni) have disappeared and don't really care about hok sports any longer. My hok friends give their money and buy their tickets and never use them themselves. They only watch games on TV with a tight circle of like-minded hoks. That's what I need I think.
What else could Prohm have done on the recruiting trail. He was dealt an empty cupboard and he was scrambling to find a couple of bigs that could contribute. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand.
Well maybe if Fred hadn't screwed us over and had quit in march rather than June, we could have gotten Shaka.
We were left with TJ or prohm. Both of who have strengths and weaknesses. Neither is awful.
It blows my mind how teams are able to hire successful coaches like Tubby Smith, Jamie Dixon to places where nobody cares about basketball. We are always left hiring some mid-major coach who is in over his head once he gets here.
Is it possible to be in both crowds? I can appreciate the argument that when they hit 18 threes he's a genius, but when they miss similarly open looks he looks like a "bad coach." I get that.
But I also think that people in that "camp" need to realize there is more to it than that. This team obviously has an issue coming ready to play. The KSU game is about the only conference game I can remember where we had a pulse to start the game. Now, to be fair, Fred had this issue too. But some of that falls on Coach Prohm to find a way to have them ready to play.
I also cannot remember the last time we scored on an out-of-bounds play. I can't remember the last baseline out of bounds that didn't result in a contested heave out around half court, or a difficult pass to a guy in the corner. Along with that, I believe if Matt didn't get that shot off last night that makes either 3-4 games where we didn't even get a shot off when we needed a last second bucket to tie or take the lead. These are two areas that we struggle in that coaching plays a large part in.
As for his rotation, I can see both sides there. He does do some things that make me scratch my head, but at the same time, I realize he's really limited in his options. Whose fault that is-- you can be the judge.
So I'm not going to go as far as saying he can't coach, but to even the most ardent Prohm supporter I'd hope you can see some legitimate concerns regarding focus and execution that are, at least in part, on the coach.
Also, if coaching basketball comes down to nothing more than they made shots/ they didn't make shots, I'll gladly do Prohm's job at half of what he's making. If you believe coaching makes a difference, you have to believe there's more to it than making/missing shots on a given night, right?
But I also think that people in that "camp" need to realize there is more to it than that. This team obviously has an issue coming ready to play. The KSU game is about the only conference game I can remember where we had a pulse to start the game. Now, to be fair, Fred had this issue too. But some of that falls on Coach Prohm to find a way to have them ready to play.
I also cannot remember the last time we scored on an out-of-bounds play. I can't remember the last baseline out of bounds that didn't result in a contested heave out around half court, or a difficult pass to a guy in the corner. Along with that, I believe if Matt didn't get that shot off last night that makes either 3-4 games where we didn't even get a shot off when we needed a last second bucket to tie or take the lead. These are two areas that we struggle in that coaching plays a large part in.
As for his rotation, I can see both sides there. He does do some things that make me scratch my head, but at the same time, I realize he's really limited in his options. Whose fault that is-- you can be the judge.
So I'm not going to go as far as saying he can't coach, but to even the most ardent Prohm supporter I'd hope you can see some legitimate concerns regarding focus and execution that are, at least in part, on the coach.
Also, if coaching basketball comes down to nothing more than they made shots/ they didn't make shots, I'll gladly do Prohm's job at half of what he's making. If you believe coaching makes a difference, you have to believe there's more to it than making/missing shots on a given night, right?
Wrong. He left a solid core of 6 guys and one of them ended up missing the majority of the season. But yeah, lets just ignore the FACT that Prohm missed out on an entire recruiting class because Fred left the program in June. I loved Fred but he left the program in a bad spot.
Are people going to learn that next year when all of the media sets their expectations for football and basketball that they can ignore that, do theirown research, and set your own expectations?
Because let me tell you how it's going to go for basketball:
August: "hearing great things about the new recruits and DJ and Babb are becoming great leaders"
Sept. "I know PTL doesn't mean anything but I'm starting to think this team could make the tournament"
October: "so and so said this Isu team is going to be better in EVERY area that fans bitched about last season"
November: " With what I'm hearing NOT making the tournament would be a huge letdown for this team"
December: "I know it's just cupcakes but this team looks to be better than last year...something was going on last year that we don't know about"
January: "this team is so young we all knew this would happen (rough conference start) Media is so smart!"
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In order to get Shaka are AD would have needed to pay twice as much as he did for Prohm. The AD didn't like paying Hoiberg 2.5. In fact he publicly humiliated Fred by saying that the season ticket holders would pick up the cost. Which of course we did to the tune of $7-8 million in "re-seating" of Hilton, only to have the AD take the money and and then go after some mid-majors so we could save some money.
