Game of Thrones Season 7

[ISUav8r]

I doubt it - I think Jaime's going to tell them himself that Cersei's double-crossing them. That relationship is clearly, quite possibly permanently, broken.

What if Cersei is manipulating Jamie like she did to Tyrion? Maybe she knows Jamie is getting cold feet so she tells him the Euron "plan" and threatened him with the Mountain to drive the point home and send him to Dany with bad info?
Cersi could be trying to get Dany to send whats left of her fleet or a dragon to Bravoss / Euron to split up her forces and then strike her.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

SOrry, I meant to put the apostrophe after the e. I knew someone would get it

Okay fine. Fleetwood Mac can't spell either!

 

[ImJustKCClone]

- There is no baby. Cersei has been playing Jaime. He will take her out when she is having Qyburn prepare to burn the City (again).

- OR, GoT ends with WW defeated, Jaime and Jon sacrificed, dragons gone, and last scenes are Cersei having her baby, and Dany having Jon's baby -- signaling that the wheel remains in motion and fight will continue....

I didn't believe Cersei was pregnant either, until last night. Tyrion guessed - and that made it real for me.

 

[NenoFone]

As a fan of Wagner's "Ring of the Nibelung" (or simply "The Ring") all this incest is common place. Siegfried, son of twins, falls in love with his aunt (Brunhilde), and saves the world. Or rather she saves the world. In that story incest was a necessary plot device, showing complete disregard for the laws and morals of the gods and man.

 

[carvers4math]

I know the Catholic faith has some interesting rules for marriage, remarriage, divorce and annulments, but I'm not sure of the specifics. I don't think there are too many Catholics in Westeros, though.

It's "Game of Thrones," because it's about politics, power, and retention of power, not really religion unless it is used to manipulate.

If anything, it is more British political history. Maegor the Cruel had six wives, very Henry VIII of him. He liked to off those who did not produce an heir. Also rumored to have killed his deformed offspring. The British left a trail of killed or imprisoned family members in battles for the throne.

 

[laminak]

That could be, and I do think that the Cersei dying in child birth is a very real possibility because of this exact theory. It allows for the Lannister name to live on in the end, even if they are the only Lannister who survives.

She can't die in childbirth, as the Maggy the Frog prophecy has two parts yet unfulfilled:

"Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear."

"And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."

 

[Ty4cy1104]

So are they going to use Theon's storyline to break the news to Jon and Dany that Cersi is double-crossing them? Theon shows up at the Iron Islands finds out where Euron went. He then books it to the north to tell them. Theon's redemption story complete?

I feel like Jamie has all of that information as well and that's the direction he's headed. So again... Just get rid of Theon! Use those 7 minutes of the show to follow Bron and Pod to whatever brothel they went to. Or just about anything else.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I feel like Jamie has all of that information as well and that's the direction he's headed. So again... Just get rid of Theon! Use those 7 minutes of the show to follow Bron and Pod to whatever brothel they went to. Or just about anything else.

Theon has some large part to play. That's been my theory since he didn't die getting Sansa to safety.

 

[SayMyName]

I didn't believe Cersei was pregnant either, until last night. Tyrion guessed - and that made it real for me.

The showrunners explained after the episode that Cersei was playing Tyrion into thinking he'd "discover" her pregnancy as further plausibility that she would actually go forward with the truce and join her forces with the North against the dead army. She was very coy with rubbing her belly and stating her desire to protect the future of her family...

I'm still not sold there's a bun in that oven.

 

[ThatllDoCy]

The showrunners explained after the episode that Cersei was playing Tyrion into thinking he'd "discover" her pregnancy as further plausibility that she would actually go forward with the truce and join her forces with the North against the dead army. She was very coy with rubbing her belly and stating her desire to protect the future of her family...

I'm still not sold there's a bun in that oven.

I'm with you. I think Jaime eventually finds out and that is the final straw for him. He is the Valonqar that chokes her to death.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

The showrunners explained after the episode that Cersei was playing Tyrion into thinking he'd "discover" her pregnancy as further plausibility that she would actually go forward with the truce and join her forces with the North against the dead army. She was very coy with rubbing her belly and stating her desire to protect the future of her family...

I'm still not sold there's a bun in that oven.

That actually makes sense. I was watching on my computer, and it was kind of having buffering issues with the image but not the sound. A lot of times there would a frozen picture with five or six lines of dialogue. It's tough to catch the subtle nuances that way. So good! I'm back to the original opinion that Cersei is a manipulative *_)^*Y_$@&Y_)@$(*!Y+) who is NOT pregnant.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

It's "Game of Thrones," because it's about politics, power, and retention of power, not really religion unless it is used to manipulate.

If anything, it is more British political history. Maegor the Cruel had six wives, very Henry VIII of him. He liked to off those who did not produce an heir. Also rumored to have killed his deformed offspring. The British left a trail of killed or imprisoned family members in battles for the throne.

Nobility in most nations have a very poor history. There's that old thing about "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely".

 

[ThatllDoCy]

Nobility in most nations have a very poor history. There's that old thing about "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Game of thrones also underscores the problem with primogeniture. There is often a lot of terrible leadership with hereditary succession.

It makes Tyrion and Daeny's talk about succession so interesting. He suggests democracy, which I have heard that Martin is working that transition into the story.

 

[SpokaneCY]

That might explain Sansa, but that doesn't de-escalate things for Arya at all. Her reasons for being mad at Sansa don't change at all, and aren't really affected by any revelations about Littlefinger. Sansa still wrote the note that Arya found, even if Littlefinger planted it on purpose.

I figured after the various speeches over the last several episodes that S & A realized family was more important. I don't think they needed to spend time walking the audience through that process and it wrapped up nicely enough - at least for me.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Guessing that is where she is. He dragged her off to King's Landing but guess he has her now since he threatened to kill her. Cersei would have no interest in her so guessing she is Eurons. Also, Theon won't likely to be able to rescue her from dungeons at King's Landing with a handful of Iron loyalists.

And, man, how easily swayed are those Iron dudes anyway. "Kill Theon! No, all hail Theon! All hail Yara! We never really liked that run and pillage plan anyway!"

All because he can take numerous kicks to the schnutz... On oft-overlooked leadership trait.

 

[carvers4math]

Nobility in most nations have a very poor history. There's that old thing about "power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely".

These nobles just happen to all have British accents I suppose to bring home the point.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I think it's still incest, but maybe not morally wrong?

It's been established in a different thread that its ok if they are hot. I even had to mention the firm nature of Jon's chocolate maker to my wife. Oddly she noticed it before I did.

 

[jdoggivjc]

What if Cersei is manipulating Jamie like she did to Tyrion? Maybe she knows Jamie is getting cold feet so she tells him the Euron "plan" and threatened him with the Mountain to drive the point home and send him to Dany with bad info?
Cersi could be trying to get Dany to send whats left of her fleet or a dragon to Bravoss / Euron to split up her forces and then strike her.

I have one problem with this - Cersei now knows the Night's Army is a real thing and an even bigger threat than Dany. I don't think she necessarily want's Dany's army to fail as the Night's Army is going to be incredibly worse than the threat that Dany poses with her dragons. She, I would think, would want Dany to win at the wall, but expend herself so greatly in doing so that she's no longer a threat to take away the throne. What Cersei is to dumb to realize, though, is every one of Dany's losses become gains of the Night's Army.

The bottom line is I don't think Cersei is manipulating Jaime - I think she wants Jaime to stay with her while the two armys destroy themselves. Unfortunately for her, Jaime has changed and is starting to see through her BS.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Okay fine. Fleetwood Mac can't spell either!

Actually, you were right - in the terms of "other lover" it's paramour. I was making a joke with the band Paramore.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Per Social Security actuary tables there is 1.6986% change I will not live to see season 8. On the positive side there is 98.3014% chance I will! I will continue to work out and eat healthy.