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IAStubborn said:
100% of footall players autopsied for this (actually more like 80% now). Which is an expensive and long process requiring donation of brain to the study, something you do onlynif you suspect CTE. It is a very misleading and self selected sample. We only know that a lot of football players have had it. We don't Know how common it is in general public or how common it is among all former football players and what factors contribute to it (genetic predisposition, other trauma are cretin people likely to get it regardless of sport played etc. Current data is alarming and something that needs to be studies a lot more but for you to be 99% certain abut anything is silly.
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This may be what is being referred to.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

IMO it's not misleading. The fact is, of those studied, it's by far the majority. As for "all former football players", it's impossible to know until they are all dead and tested. That's not a fair argument in this context.

CTE has been proven to be a result of head trauma. Football has been proven to cause head trauma. Unless you can point me to some study that states otherwise, I've yet to read anyone comment on genetic predisposition relative to CTE.

I'm not trying to start an argument with you on this but if in fact it wasn't as fairly obvious as it is, after all the research, the billion dollar animal that is the NFL would be working a LOT harder to dispell any of it than it is. They aren't, because they can't.

At the end of the day, it would be better for people to simply admit they know there is greater risk than initially thought and live with the consequences. That said, do you allow kids to make that decision...or allow parents to make that decision? Rhetorical questions, maybe.

In the end, I do love the game and played it for years. Would I let my son? Right now, it would be very difficult for me to be ok with it.

In any case, I think it's a stretch to assume that anthing JK has done is related to CTE and it's unfair.
 
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Gossamer said:
This may be what is being referred to.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

IMO it's not misleading. The fact is, of those studied, it's by far the majority. As for "all former football players", it's impossible to know until they are all dead and tested. That's not a fair argument in this context.

CTE has been proven to be a result of head trauma. Football has been proven to cause head trauma. Unless you can point me to some study that states otherwise, I've yet to read anyone comment on genetic predisposition relative to CTE.

I'm not trying to start an argument with you on this but if in fact it wasn't as fairly obvious as it is, after all the research, the billion dollar animal that is the NFL would be working a LOT harder to dispell any of it than it is. They aren't, because they can't.

At the end of the day, it would be better for people to simply admit they know there is greater risk than initially thought and live with the consequences. That said, do you allow kids to make that decision...or allow parents to make that decision? Rhetorical questions, maybe.

In the end, I do love the game and played it for years. Would I let my son? Right now, it would be very difficult for me to be ok with it.

In any case, I think it's a stretch to assume that anthing JK has done is related to CTE and it's unfair.
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Not sure that this is the best thread to post this in but I found this very interesting. Mods feel free to move if this is to much of a shift:
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/seatt...xperience-wearing-new-high-tech-vicis-helmet/
 
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Gossamer said:
This may be what is being referred to.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/health/cte-nfl-players-brains-study/index.html

IMO it's not misleading. The fact is, of those studied, it's by far the majority. As for "all former football players", it's impossible to know until they are all dead and tested. That's not a fair argument in this context.

CTE has been proven to be a result of head trauma. Football has been proven to cause head trauma. Unless you can point me to some study that states otherwise, I've yet to read anyone comment on genetic predisposition relative to CTE.

I'm not trying to start an argument with you on this but if in fact it wasn't as fairly obvious as it is, after all the research, the billion dollar animal that is the NFL would be working a LOT harder to dispell any of it than it is. They aren't, because they can't.

At the end of the day, it would be better for people to simply admit they know there is greater risk than initially thought and live with the consequences. That said, do you allow kids to make that decision...or allow parents to make that decision? Rhetorical questions, maybe.

In the end, I do love the game and played it for years. Would I let my son? Right now, it would be very difficult for me to be ok with it.

In any case, I think it's a stretch to assume that anthing JK has done is related to CTE and it's unfair.
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The brain biopsy study is misleading as a representative of all football players. But that really wasnt my point. If you want a better representative sample on the risk of the typical football player this is the best one we have:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...901_MSCPEDIT&uac=224503AK&impID=1423040&faf=1
 
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jsb said:
Not really related, but between reading the Baylor book, learning more about CTI, and the opioids addictions it makes me feel a bit bad enjoying and supporting football and college sports.
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Honest question, do you think these guys would be worse off without football? Is football the bad influence in their life?? Football and being part of a team is probably the best thing to happen to a lot of these guys. Yeah, there's some pretty profound consequences, but the alternatives are likely worse (and likely much more prevalent) imo.
 
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IAStubborn said:
The brain biopsy study is misleading as a representative of all football players. But that really wasnt my point. If you want a better representative sample on the risk of the typical football player this is the best one we have:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle...901_MSCPEDIT&uac=224503AK&impID=1423040&faf=1
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good article...thanks. I found this to be interesting among a number of things towards the end.

"The study evaluates the overall effect on long-term outcomes of playing football vs not playing football, but it does not directly evaluate the association of football-related exposure to concussion or sub-concussive injury with outcomes in older adulthood," they write.
 
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Gossamer said:
good article...thanks. I found this to be interesting among a number of things towards the end.

"The study evaluates the overall effect on long-term outcomes of playing football vs not playing football, but it does not directly evaluate the association of football-related exposure to concussion or sub-concussive injury with outcomes in older adulthood," they write.
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That article pretty much puts where I sit on CTE in a nutshell. We would need years and years of data, with samples of people who had never played a contact sport among other variable stresses to really get a more perfect understanding of CTE, especially with respect to use of opiates
 
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bgprest said:
Anybody know the latest on Jake Knott? Is he straightened out? Where is he and what's he doing?
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I wish he and his family the best, always. And I hope he begins to make an appearance on the sidelines and in the program. He's had his highs, and he's had his lows. He gave a ton for this program and deserves our appreciation.
 
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If this thread is going to be resurrected, please change the thread title. Let's not dishonor someone who epitomized "all in", particularly when it seems that he has pulled through a few bad events and has his act together.

Edited to thank the mods for changing the title to "Jake Knott Update." :)
 
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I'm much older than Jake but he is someone I looked up to during his time at ISU. He showed others what hard work can bring you. He wasn't the most talented player, but he never gave up, worked tremendously hard, and gave it everything he had. He made it to the next level (all be it short).

If he gives half that effort to his career and family he will have a very successful life.
 
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My girlfriend is friends with Jakes' ex-wifes brother and I do know that they split, after all of the goings on (probably already said). But, from the sounds of it, he said that he has turned the corner to make better strides in his life. Which is great, and all we can hope for and encourage at this point.

Loved watching him play and hope all turns out well for him.
 
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