CSP loves this school more than some of our own Alumnus. He’s recruiting to his system with high caliber guys. Not sure why he isn’t loved as much as CMC. I guess cause he followed CFH.
This is Steve Prohm’s program. Period.
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Fred left the program in an "just OK" spot. Could have left it even better if he hadn't stopped recruiting the last few months he was here
I didn't see this posted but here's Prohm with Gottlieb on his podcast last week
https://art19.com/shows/all-ball-with-doug-gottlieb/episodes/24926b5a-9915-4831-acd7-9418d6cde06d
https://art19.com/shows/all-ball-with-doug-gottlieb/episodes/24926b5a-9915-4831-acd7-9418d6cde06d
There's some that don't seem to think ISU basketball had much of a history before 2010 so their perspective only involves one coach to compare to.
I don't think Fred really has much to do with the arguments for or against Prohm. It's more of a scenario where some vocal fans have an extremely hard time living in the present as a fan with the unknown being the next game. Fred is just the closest known positive entity to latch on to with his history being a known commodity. It's unfortunate because it just creates a further divide and bitterness where any negative aspects to Fred's history have to be amplified in order to stay present and focused on today's team for those that like to stay present and are excited by what comes next even if it's unknown. This is probably the majority, who would have moved on if not for the death grip of those afraid of the future.
It's normal, but unfortunate.
It's normal, but unfortunate.
I've even had a couple people text me, or have seen facebook posts about not liking Prohm, or they're sick of Prohm. It's annoying. But if he keeps winning, of course that'll shut em up.
I honestly wonder why people care about Fred versus Prohm anymore.
It has been almost four years. Time to move on. Fred and the program have. It was all a lifetime ago. Prohm is here and winning and Fred is shopping for his next NBA job.
It worked out for all of us.
Heck, when we hired Prohm, I was not yet married, lived a very different place, was working a completely different job in a different industry, and had yet to travel internationally much. Prohm was three trips to Europe and one each to Mexico, Hawaii, and Japan ago.
So much has changed.
Time for us to, too.
It has been almost four years. Time to move on. Fred and the program have. It was all a lifetime ago. Prohm is here and winning and Fred is shopping for his next NBA job.
It worked out for all of us.
Heck, when we hired Prohm, I was not yet married, lived a very different place, was working a completely different job in a different industry, and had yet to travel internationally much. Prohm was three trips to Europe and one each to Mexico, Hawaii, and Japan ago.
So much has changed.
Time for us to, too.
It doesn’t help that prohm is an extremely humble and honest guy. He consistently gives Fred credit. And he’s right that Fred deserves a lot of credit. But prohm really helped guys like Nader and burton and Monte. And prohm could have thrown Fred and staff under the bus for last year. But he didn’t.
Hilton Magic didn't start with Fred.
I don't get it either. Maybe if these boards existed there would be a bunch of Johnny vs. Floyd vs. Eustachy debates too. Johnny built ISU into a respectable program with an exciting style and great home court. Floyd came in and had some great seasons and showed what was possible at ISU. Larry took it a step further and showed you could win conference titles here and build FF, NC type teams, and reached unprecedented levels in terms of single season accomplishments. Morgan got some talent, had a good NIT run and won an NCAA tourney game. I blacked out for a few years. Fred came in and rebooted the program. While the peaks of the Larry Era were not reached, he accomplished a level of season-over-season consistency never seen at ISU and again showed a FF-level team could be assembled at ISU. Prohm came in and had success in consecutive seasons that rival some of the better seasons in ISU bball history. He has shown he can recruit well, and here we are. Orr, Floyd, Eustachy, and Hoiberg all had a big hand in making ISU hoops what it is today. However, as has been demonstrated at a place like North Carolina, success is fleeting and the idea that ANY program can go on autopilot and still win with mediocre coaching is ridiculous. Dean Freaking Smith wasn't enough to keep UNC from tanking in a hurry once he stepped down. Each one of these coaches built on what was established, but in college sports, good coaches win, bad coaches lose. It's really that simple. There are no jobs that are good enough to buoy a bad or mediocre coach, and there's no job so difficult that it will keep a good coach down for long. Prohm like Orr, Floyd, Eustachy and Hoiberg won and is winning because he's a good coach. Period.
We've got FB and MBB coaches that look like they are excellent, and want to be AT ISU. It's always a great time to be a Cyclone, but it's never been better. Some people are never going to be "sold on Prohm." That's their choice. In the meantime the rest of us will enjoy a great time in ISU sports.
You’re not sure why he isn’t loved as much?
Just stop.
Assuming there is a tangible difference, it’s due to the difference in the history of our football program vs the history of our basketball program, not following Hoiberg. Back-to-back 8 win seasons with some huge wins is a historical peak for the football program. In basketball, other than McD, every coach in the lifetime of most posters has reached the second round as early as Year 2. The bar is simply higher.
Not everyone was loving the CMC hire until he had unprecedented success despite being handed a poor program. If Prohm reaches the Final Four the love will be overwhelming
Prohm has zero ties to the program and probably knows more about the history of Iowa State Basketball than a lot of people that attend the games. He’s taken time to invest himself in the program. For the haters i would say it is time to invest in him. He started Alumni Weekend, which I think is an awesome event. And if you didn’t appreciate the fight he had to stick up for his guys in Iowa City earlier this year, I don’t know what to tell you. CSP is the EXACT guy I want leading this program into the future. I hope he is here until he retires.
It's strange to think Hoiberg's legacy depends on how well Prohm does.
Prohm wins = Fred started the resurrection.
Prohm loses = Fred deserted us.
Prohm wins = Fred started the resurrection.
Prohm loses = Fred deserted us.
Any fan of any era should absolutely love Prohm for what he does with Alumni Weekend. He has embraced deeply and fully the heritage of the program.
I know several older fans who don't follow recruiting, etc and honestly, CSP never stood a chance with those guys. He got zero praise for coming in a moving things forward yet these same guys railed on him for having an incomplete roster. I've tried having rational conversations with these people and your just not going to change their minds. Sadly, they would rather see Prohm fail just to say "I told you so".
