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Players played below average, coaches coached below average, officials officiated below average. Just one of those three improves and we win the game yesterday. It was an entire group effort.
2 straight games on the refs
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Did you even read my post?
I have been consistent saying ISU lost this game, not the refs. ISU played like dog ****. But that doesn't mean that the refs weren't terrible, they were. I thought ISU was going to win this game and still felt halfway through like, wow, these guys are terrible. It wasn't a decision I made because they lost. So get out of here with the KU game comparisons, my opinion is not what you say it is.
The refs were trash. It was driving me crazy how they officiated the game, and it wasn't just in relation to the calls ISU did or didn't get. They were maddeningly inconsistent, fouls I thought they should call they didn't, fouls they did call which made no sense, missed traveling, a missed goaltending which went through anyways so they lucked out.. it was a disaster of a game for them.
If the refs constantly suck, wouldn't them sucking be an average game for them?
I have zero interest in arguing for hours about specific calls. No matter what I post, you'll disagree with it. Let's just skip to the end and agree to disagree.
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I am not one who think they constantly suck. They weren't horrid yesterday, just below average and it was spread around.
I'll believe this. Because you've been on here for days not hours arguing a different teams referee calls.
Fair enough. First and last time I engage with you on any topic then. Good to know you are full of ****.
I am not saddened by this turn of events and we all look forward to yet another thread about the horrible refs after the next close loss.
I just want consistency from the refs. A lot of pushing, a lot of players knocked to the floor with nothing called. I told my wife halfway through the game that I think the only call these refs can make is out of bounds (ended up being wrong on that one too...). If that's the way you're calling it fine. KSU was taking advantage as the more physical team. It's on ISU to adjust.
But then don't start calling differently later. The foul on Wiggy going after a loose ball probably was a foul, but that wasn't being called earlier on identical plays. The foul that drives me the most crazy was actually on KSU. I believe it was THT driving through the lane. A KSU defender was there to take a charge. THT jump stopped short of the defender and dished to Jacobson under the hoop for a dunk. The replay showed the KSU defender even sticking out his chest as far as he could trying to draw contact on THT. There only was a slight rub. Neither player fell down or even took another step. Whatever contact there was, was inconsequential. Ref called a block on KSU, waived off the dunk, and gave ISU the ball at mid court at which point ISU failed to score. After all that banging, a touch foul on KSU that did not impact the play ended up costing ISU a basket on a nice play by THT.
But then don't start calling differently later. The foul on Wiggy going after a loose ball probably was a foul, but that wasn't being called earlier on identical plays. The foul that drives me the most crazy was actually on KSU. I believe it was THT driving through the lane. A KSU defender was there to take a charge. THT jump stopped short of the defender and dished to Jacobson under the hoop for a dunk. The replay showed the KSU defender even sticking out his chest as far as he could trying to draw contact on THT. There only was a slight rub. Neither player fell down or even took another step. Whatever contact there was, was inconsequential. Ref called a block on KSU, waived off the dunk, and gave ISU the ball at mid court at which point ISU failed to score. After all that banging, a touch foul on KSU that did not impact the play ended up costing ISU a basket on a nice play by THT.
This is completely right. With our depth this year we should be playing very aggressive defense and force the refs to call fouls. Once the foul count gets too lopsided they ALWAYS start making up stuff on the other end because their evaluators call that "game management." It screws over teams that don't foul as much because in the end all the refs at this level care about is making the foul count somewhat close.
We got the benefit of this on Saturday after all of those awful calls when they started calling touch fouls on Kansas State just to make things even/make up for how mad Prohm was getting. It's pathetic.
There are a lot of what ifs with every game. What if Jacobson would have turned toward the basket and seen he had no one near him when he was 15 ft from the basket instead of passing up what would have been a wide open shot. What if KSU would have started intentionally fouling more to get the score closer in the last minute (with the way we were shooting free throws this would not have ended well). Yes the refs sucked, but they didn't lose the game.
We were soft around the basket (except for Conditt). We got our @sses handed to us on the boards and Conditt was the only one that would take it up strong in the paint. Jacobson pump fakes then goes up soft every time in the paint. Wigginton drives hard then flips the ball up and hope it goes in and get a foul (usually does get fouled whether called or not). We need to be more physical in the paint and yes Lard would help, but our guards need to man up in the paint too.
We were soft around the basket (except for Conditt). We got our @sses handed to us on the boards and Conditt was the only one that would take it up strong in the paint. Jacobson pump fakes then goes up soft every time in the paint. Wigginton drives hard then flips the ball up and hope it goes in and get a foul (usually does get fouled whether called or not). We need to be more physical in the paint and yes Lard would help, but our guards need to man up in the paint too.
I haven't read through this entire thread but hopefully there aren't too many directly blaming the officials for our loss. However, 2 things can be true at once....we played like crap and the refs officiated like dog feces. If anyone thinks the officials didn't have a tiny bit of impact on the outcome you're just sticking your head in the sand and spouting off the "play through it" idiocy that people like to blindly state.
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Not that it matters now but K-State had 16 personal fouls, ISU 13. ISU was 6-12 from the line, K-State 11-14.
Cool. What does that prove? We all know that if we make free throws/wide open shots we win but that doesn't mean if the incompetent officials hadn't screwed up a bevy of calls we wouldn't have won either. Both things are true. Sorry, I'm still a tad bitter :/
It proves the obvious. Had ISU made their free throws at the same rate as K-State, they'd have won the game comfortably. And taking a three near the end as the game's in play is not a good strategy.
More coach speak, sweet. "I don't care how bad the officiating was. Good teams find a way." So you don't think the officials not calling an obvious foul at the end of our Baylor game had anything to do with the outcome? "Play through those guys not enforcing the rules of the game dang it!"
Completely agree with both of those points. Also think it's a tad ignorant to ignore the pathetic excuse for officiating that was to our detriment don't you think?
