I'd say wait until we see what happens in the Big 12 Tourney.
If ISU gets beat like they did under Fred 3/5 years, time for the buy out thread.
Ole Miss and Lindell Starting?
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I'd say wait until we see what happens in the Big 12 Tourney.
If ISU gets beat like they did under Fred 3/5 years, time for the buy out thread.
I go back and forth on why posters start threads like this. Are they just wanting to start **** or do the believe a guy should be starting because he sucks off the bench.
To me this falls inline with the everybody gets a trophy mentality.
To me this falls inline with the everybody gets a trophy mentality.
To me this reply falls in line with “I don’t care to seriously interact with someone’s comments because it makes me feel smart to misrepresent it so I can make sh*t out of it" (straw-man)
Defence, below average
Shooting, below average
Passing, below average
Handle, really bad
START HIM
Ok, I see your point, but obviously we are providing a reason to start him beyond 'everyone gets a trophy.' He is an elite player and we are theorizing that maybe it could help bring him back to himself if he started. As others have said, this is not your average Cyclone; this is a one-and-done caliber guy.
One guy is starting because LW got hurt, not because of his play. LW should start, NFL teams deal with this all the time. If LW doesn't Improve then bench him. THT had no business starting several games if we use LW criteria.
"Sucks off the bench?" Well, let's see. If LW were to start, he would replace either THT or LW. So let's look at all three's productivity in conference games after LW returned. The numbers are per 40 minutes other than for shooting percentages and A/to.
LW is struggling with his shot, but he's shooting as well as THT and slightly better than him in 3pt%. LW actually rebounds as well as THT, despite playing on the perimeter more. So, using your "analysis," THT "sucks as a starter" since he's not playing clearly better than LW? (CAVEAT: THT/TH have been playing the entire season while LW is coming off an injury and has not played with the rest of the team as much.)
LW THT TH
FG%: 31% 31% 54%
3 pt%: 33% 29% 50%
Reb: 6.7 6.6 3
Asst: 4.2 3.9 4.1
A/to: 1.7 (tied with Babb) 2.3 6.3
Steals: 11 8.4 11.5
Blk: 3.1 6.75 9.2
- If he learns to dribble, I'd say he should play 30 minutes.
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If you can't earn them you shouldn't start. And the coach sees him in practice as well. He must not be playing well enough there to justify starting either. Maybe he needs less minutes.
Even putting up good stats last year, he is a player that has developed real bad habits. Starting him on the bench is your only option. He needs to know he is making mistakes. We had no choice but to play him after his mistakes last year because we sucked. Now we have a solid group, we can have him learn from these things by sitting him when the mistakes come around.
I agree with that. He does a lot of really good things...he's the best player on the team off the dribble, he's a good rebounder as a guard, he's probably the best on the team at creating his shot and getting clean looks just with the vertical on his jumper. But, he also loses his guy a lot on D and can be slow to react to switches/screens. He can also get out of control driving and turn it over. To me, if he's hitting his jump shot and pull up, it makes up for all the other sins. If he's not hitting, then he's a liability compared to the other starters.
I feel like the only reasons for starting him right now are 1.Improve team chemistry (get rid of the pouting/lost look) or 2.To flat out mix things up and hope it makes the team better. And I just don't know that we're at the point of needing to mix things up just to try something different. IMO the last thing the team needs is someone who feels like they need to put the team on their back while everyone else stands around. BTW, I do feel like he's trying hard (maybe too hard) and making the extra pass. It's just not working all that well. It just looks like he's trying really hard to fit into the current team whereas last year it was easy.
I really do not know why coming off the bench should drastically effect your statistical efficiency or your general level of play. "Getting into the flow of the game" sounds like one of those squishy "learn how to win" kind of clichés that losers use as an excuse.
Heck, you should be better in that situation given your are more likely to be against your opponents' reserves. It really should not make that much of a difference.
Lindell has had his moments this season, but with the totality of the evidence right now, I think the decision to keep the starters unchanged is a defensible one.
We almost beat Kansas in Lawrence a few days ago. This is a really good team.
Heck, you should be better in that situation given your are more likely to be against your opponents' reserves. It really should not make that much of a difference.
Lindell has had his moments this season, but with the totality of the evidence right now, I think the decision to keep the starters unchanged is a defensible one.
We almost beat Kansas in Lawrence a few days ago. This is a really good team.
Agree, this is a really good team, but we can also all agree that this team could absolutely be better with Lindell and Cam playing better. And we can all agree that they have the talent, and have proven that they can be better, as much as top end of the Big 12 level players.
How they get there, I don't know. But that's why Prohm and his assistants get paid. If that means starting Wigginton, while he hasn't been playing consistently well, then do it. I don't care how message board posters feel about the situation. We have zero connection, and no pulse as to how this team operates, outside of the games.
I think Prohm has done a good job, and I fully support him, but if Wigginton and Lard don't max out that potential come tournament time, then I'll have some questions about how good this team really could have been. Prohm has proven his teams get better through the year, and are generally peaking at the end of the season. Which is what the goal should be, and how I prefer it.
Vino? Are you a 46-year-old woman?
Wigginton's passing has been a step above anything he did last season.
I have yet to see Wigginton pout. He's said all the right things, and Prohm has complimented his approach.
You know Prohm mentioned last week that Wigginton will be moving into a starting spot sooner rather than later? Maybe he's playing really well in practice?
I don't know about "getting into the flow". I think it's more about getting Wigginton into a more familiar role. He's been a starter and go-to player for his entire life. He's not playing well right now (if we're ignoring he had his best game two days before KU), and we know he's capable of playing better. Maybe it's time to change a variable in an attempt to reach our ceiling.
