Iowa State Daily article about Prohm and LW

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Something tells me NBA scouts don't look at how many times a player started, more how they played when they were on the floor and what they can do in the league.

Bingo. Any NBA scout who just looks at a piece of paper that says "# of starts" for his information is actually just some random lurker in his mom's basement.
 

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Where's the analysis about his downfalls and inconsistency that contributed to his bench role? His shooting percentages basically stayed the same as last year, his FT% was actually worse and his assist to turnover ratio was near 1:1.

His FT% actually went up this year
 

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I am not sure starting Lindell would have helped his defense. Also, If he was pressing to get his numbers/buckets when he got into the game, that is the wrong mentality for winning games.
 
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IMO if a guy turns down an NBA opportunity to return to your program, you do everything you can to improve his draft stock the next year. That begins with STARTING him. Prohm didn't do Lindell any favors this year; he may not even be drafted now.
Given what we saw from Wigginton, the staff did Lindell a favor in limiting him to play just the role of scorer off the bench.

It’s better to leave things as question marks rather than putting him in the position that proves he’s just the same player from a year ago (slightly improved imo). At least now he can go test well and use the narrative that he played the role that was asked, rather than it being that at the age of 21 he’s very limited as a pg.
 

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IMO if a guy turns down an NBA opportunity to return to your program, you do everything you can to improve his draft stock the next year. That begins with STARTING him. Prohm didn't do Lindell any favors this year; he may not even be drafted now.

You and I are of like minds about 99% of the time here at CF.....but I really have to say I disagree with this. CSP isn't trying to get these kids ready for the NBA. He's trying to make them a cohesive team so that 1) they can win games and 2) they become better people.

I think it's been pretty obvious since Lindell has been here that he was using ISU basketball as a showcase for his skills for NBA scouts. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just that CSP doesn't have to be his enabler in that regard.
 

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There is a reason that college coaches are paid so well. They have to be able to manage their team and personnel in ways that make the entire team better. ...and that is no simple task.

Any middle school BB coach could conclude -- Wiggie didn't play well enough to earn his starting spot back.

That is completely failing to recognize the unique talent. As a coach at this level, you must make moves ....sometime bold...sometime unconventional...to help to get the player back up to their potential.

Wiggie clearly needed to start to get his engine going right from the tip. At the very least, he needed to be given the opportunity....and never was...and the entire team suffered by not living up to its full potential.
 
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You and I are of like minds about 99% of the time here at CF.....but I really have to say I disagree with this. CSP isn't trying to get these kids ready for the NBA. He's trying to make them a cohesive team so that 1) they can win games and 2) they become better people.

I think it's been pretty obvious since Lindell has been here that he was using ISU basketball as a showcase for his skills for NBA scouts. And there's nothing wrong with that - it's just that CSP doesn't have to be his enabler in that regard.

So ISU isn't the kind of place for kids to showcase their skills for the NBA?

I don't get it. He and Shayock were clearly our most talented players last year. It's just crazy to me that Prohm would start two freshman ahead of Lindell. That's honestly when I started questioning how he was running the program.
 

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yeah, I mean look at all the backups that get drafted in the first round every year...:confused:
You mean all the backups that got starter minutes and the highest usage rate on the team in conference play? Don’t be a simpleton.

The notion that not starting Wigginton adversely impacted his draft potential is archaic, if not illogical. If anything, asking him to play the instant offense role off the bench has inadvertently given him a chance to be drafted by providing an alternative narrative other than the truth that he’s a slightly improved version of the player he was a year ago.
 

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yeah, I mean look at all the backups that get drafted in the first round every year...:confused:

If LW even gets drafted last I knew it's not speculated that it would be in the first round so whether or not he started is moot.

Also if CSP is spending the season of ISU basketball worried about how a player looks for the NBA vs. ISU's season, he needs to go too. (I don't think he is which is why that sounds ridiculous)
 
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So ISU isn't the kind of place for kids to showcase their skills for the NBA?

I don't get it. He and Shayock were clearly our most talented players last year. It's just crazy to me that Prohm would start two freshman ahead of Lindell. That's honestly when I started questioning how he was running the program.

No, it isn't.

It's for them to win enough games to get into the NCAA tournament and the like.
 

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yeah, I mean look at all the backups that get drafted in the first round every year...:confused:

LW was never going to be a first round pick with his current skillset. He plays horrible defense and doesn't facilitate effectively at all. How many first round 6'2 pure scoring guards who don't play very good defense are out there in the NBA? Roughly none.

Do I think LW should have been starting? Yes, in place of the other guy who left for the draft early. Do I think it was some huge dereliction of duties? Hell no. Not being able to reign in THT was a worse coaching failure than the LW situation and that hardly even moves the needle.
 

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Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.

I played with a lot of guys who were talented but played less than lesser talented players because those talented players didn't work as hard and/or didn't execute their assignments as well as the lesser talented players.
 

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I played with a lot of guys who were talented but played less than lesser talented players because those talented players didn't work as hard and/or didn't execute their assignments as well as the lesser talented players.
This sentence is kind of a mind **** to read.
 
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<Not sure why the quote wasn't included, but this was in response/agreement with Tre4ISU's post above...>

Completely agree. The dissection of the season is a very natural thing for us all to do - and, it didn't end like we wanted. But, to use a point like this (others, not you) to pronounce that CSP stinks just doesn't add up. Where is this perfect coach that does it all right...?