INSTANT REACTION: Iowa 84, Iowa State 68

[herbicide]

Thing is this year 5 for him so I do not know how much more growing and learning there is , I suppose there is some. But I mean he had to know Iowa was going to hit them with a zone right? With all their shooting woes And yet it seems like they were shocked to see it.

Prohm said they prepared three(?) days for the exact zone they saw, but once the tipoff occurred they didn't play the way they practiced against it.

I know he was purposely falling on the sword for this loss, but no matter how you slice it, there are serious coaching concerns regarding this game.

 

[fsanford]

Prohm said they prepared three(?) days for the exact zone they saw, but once the tipoff occurred they didn't play the way they practiced against it.

I know he was purposely falling on the sword for this loss, but no matter how you slice it, there are serious coaching concerns regarding this game.

So your saying Nixon shooting multiple 3's against it was not the game plan

Maybe the moment was too big for them, they seemed to panic after Iowa punched them in the mouth out of the gate

They sort of settled in after that but it was too late given the offensive challenges

 

[Halincandenza]

Have to get the best players on the floor and stop making it so complicated. Young and conditt need to play together and they need to play slower at times. There aren’t 4 guards that can play on this team, so you gotta steal minutes here and there

Horrible idea

 

[herbicide]

So your saying Nixon shooting multiple 3's against it was not the game plan

Maybe the moment was too big for them, they seemed to panic after Iowa punched them in the mouth out of the gate

They sort of settled in after that but it was too late given the offensive challenges

Sort of being the key words. I think CW said it was something like a 66-65 game after in Iowa's favor, which is meaningless. I bet if you did a study on all blowouts there would be a similar trend, where removing the worst section of the game would make the result look better.

 

[Statefan10]

Horrible idea

Do you think Conditt should be starting?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Pretty obvious except to Mr. Williams. Can't figure out why the offense is so bad, why they keep losing at Hilton, why there was no defense/toughness. Weird that he wouldn't even entertain the idea that coaching may be the issue.

I think Steve is too soft. He needs to recruit enforcers. I say this every year but this year especially. We need Ejim.

 

[Halincandenza]

Do you think Conditt should be starting?

I wouldn’t mind if he started but I wouldn’t put Solo at the 4. That would be a disaster on both ends. Playing slower is also not what this team needs.

 

[Statefan10]

I wouldn’t mind if he started but I wouldn’t put Solo at the 4. That would be a disaster on both ends. Playing slower is also not what this team needs.

No I think this team needs to play fast in order to put points up. I also think our best offense is in transition. When we are in the half court, last year we saw Mike constantly setting that ball screen and picking and popping to the three point line / mid range, but because he's playing the 4, he's now been sitting in the corner while the 5 sets the screen.. If we are going to play Mike at the 4, what can we do to get the best out of Mike at that position? He seems to be a bit out of place right now.

 

[CycloneVet]

The lack of effort, hustle, and grit was the most concerning part to me

I thought that wouldn’t happen but it did

 

[2forISU]

I think Steve is too soft. He needs to recruit enforcers. I say this every year but this year especially. We need Ejim.

Every coach on that bench is too soft and are very similar to SP. Plus, that bench of coaches is more recruiting focus then X's/O's. I think SP needs to make some changes on that bench.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Thing is this year 5 for him so I do not know how much more growing and learning there is , I suppose there is some. But I mean he had to know Iowa was going to hit them with a zone right? With all their shooting woes And yet it seems like they were shocked to see it.

I'm not an expert but how many ways are there for THIS team to beat a zone with the players and experience on the floor? Serious question... Sometimes the other team is just better and nothing will eliminate the other team's game plan. You beat the zone by hitting shots. Everyone on our team has been shooting the ball for well over a decade.

I'm not absolving CSP and coaching because at the end of the day it all falls to him win or lose but this team is missing ANY contributions from the last couple of classes. This year's class are freshman and it's crazy to rely on true freshman but Zion and TL were both highly rated and haven't shown. Wiggs is/should also be on the floor. 1 scorer to go with TH and the rest of the team are reasonable complementary parts and would feel like a much more well-rounded team.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Sort of being the key words. I think CW said it was something like a 66-65 game after in Iowa's favor, which is meaningless. I bet if you did a study on all blowouts there would be a similar trend, where removing the worst section of the game would make the result look better.

That game was a 20 pointer from the tip. We were never competitive.

 

[ArgentCy]

Right now the team should expect a zone defense from the opponent that leaves Nixon wide open to take a shot whenever he gets the ball...pretty simple. Somehow Prohm has to get another shooter on the floor that can help out...because the product out there right now certainly isn't working.

Who? I don't think we can sneak Ice Man out there even in an old uniform.

 

[tim_redd]

Who? I don't think we can sneak Ice Man out there even in an old uniform.

Idk, I think he's a dead ringer for Terrence Lewis.

 

[ArgentCy]

I'm not an expert but how many ways are there for THIS team to beat a zone with the players and experience on the floor? Serious question... Sometimes the other team is just better and nothing will eliminate the other team's game plan. You beat the zone by hitting shots. Everyone on our team has been shooting the ball for well over a decade.

I'm not absolving CSP and coaching because at the end of the day it all falls to him win or lose but this team is missing ANY contributions from the last couple of classes. This year's class are freshman and it's crazy to rely on true freshman but Zion and TL were both highly rated and haven't shown. Wiggs is/should also be on the floor. 1 scorer to go with TH and the rest of the team are reasonable complementary parts and would feel like a much more well-rounded team.

Iowa's zone was terrible and could have been torched (as many teams do). Putting Niang in the middle was a great start. That is exactly where Jacobson should have been planted. Not launching three's.

 

[ArgentCy]

Idk, I think he's a dead ringer for Terrence Lewis.

Yeah, I don't know. Although he does a pretty decent imitation of Matt Thomas freshman year defense.

 

[cyatheart]

Young and Conditt can't play together because neither can guard a 4.

They can't guard a stretch 4, but nobody else can either on this team. Have to adjust how you play to compensate for it. It's not going to happen anyway, no sense in talking about it really.

 

[Statefan10]

Iowa's zone was terrible and could have been torched (as many teams do). Putting Niang in the middle was a great start. That is exactly where Jacobson should have been planted. Not launching three's.

Jacobson actually was in the middle of the zone for a good portion of the night but was not making good decisions, hence why we put Halliburton in the middle and things started to flow a little bit better. The problem was we fell behind by so much in the beginning and were so discombobulated offensively that we couldn't string together enough stops / made baskets for it to matter. This team absolutely cannot fall behind big because we do not have the fire power to overcome such deficits. Keeping the game close and battling it out in the end will be how this team wins games.

Iowa was up 18-4 to start the game. The rest of the game Iowa outscored Iowa State 66-64. This game was lost in the first 6 minutes of the game because of a variety of reasons, one of them being Iowa was ready to play from the tip.

 

[fsanford]

I'm not an expert but how many ways are there for THIS team to beat a zone with the players and experience on the floor? Serious question... Sometimes the other team is just better and nothing will eliminate the other team's game plan. You beat the zone by hitting shots. Everyone on our team has been shooting the ball for well over a decade.

I'm not absolving CSP and coaching because at the end of the day it all falls to him win or lose but this team is missing ANY contributions from the last couple of classes. This year's class are freshman and it's crazy to rely on true freshman but Zion and TL were both highly rated and haven't shown. Wiggs is/should also be on the floor. 1 scorer to go with TH and the rest of the team are reasonable complementary parts and would feel like a much more well-rounded team.

One way solving a zone is attacking the gaps cut to the hoop.

You have to make quick passes drive into those gaps and shoot a closer jumper or possibly look to dump to the post.. Don't worry about what analytics says take the 15 foot shot or pull up jumper if there.


I was of the opinion Fred was a big analytics guy ( I am probably wrong) 2 for 1, its a 3 or a layup nothing in between. Don't know if Prohm follows a similar idea


With this team and shooting challenges, I just think you kind of have to go back to more old school, assume there is no 3 point line anymore, how do you approach scoring in that environment.. Where do you put up shots from.

 

[Dingus]

Young and Conditt can't play together because neither can guard a 4.

I assume you’re referring to guarding on the perimeter? Cause Jacobson is as bad as solo is out there. I’m honestly not sure how Conditt does if he gets pulled out.