Devries or TJ poll
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CW said he's doing a ground-up rebuild of the roster -- he ran off a bunch of guys from his first year that didn't really fit his vision or culture and is basically starting over with "his" guys.
You should view this year in Las Vegas more like a first year than a second one.
TJ Otzelberger's program is ranked 6th in the Mountain West right now. PASS.
I refuse to think Fred was great at ISU because of his assistants, he was great at ISU because he got a few awesome HS recruits (Niang, Long etc), some impact transfers, and was a magician on O. I don't think TJ deserves a ton of credit for his success. Yes he was a pretty damn good recruiter.
Whatever the process was to find Campbell...do that again.
What has TJ accomplished so far as head coach? I’m wondering. We need someone from major conference with a ton of experience. This is not a trial and error anymore. After what Fred built, it’s crazy to see us so low. The first few yrs, Prohm won with Fred’s players. Even with that he couldn’t coach. He would call his useless timeouts after we started scoring and getting into a rhythm. This would usually happen after experiencing a 5min drought. Lol. I wish Prohm had succeeded here but I think it’s time to pull the trigger. Enough is enough.
Wikipedia, always a definitive source, says TJ recruited (or at least had a huge part in)...
Mike Taylor
Craig Brackins
Diante Garrett
Scott Christopherson
Chris Babb
Chris Allen
Will Clyburn
Korie Lucious
Melvin Ejim
Georges Niang
Naz Mitrou-Long
Matt Thomas
Nick Weiler-Babb*
Solomon Young*
*I added these because... well, he did.
Solomon is our second-best player right now. ANY of the other guys on that list would be our best right now.
75%+ of college basketball is recruiting. Period.
Prohm lands highly-rated guys who aren't very good. TJ landed guys who were highly-rated AND good.
CycloneErik
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Add Sampson in there. Gotta ask guys that win like he does.
Maybe what Fred built wasn’t as tenable as everyone likes to think? Fred caught lightning with his transfer game. That game is long up.
Oh is that how coaching decisions are made? Based on conference position at one point in time in one season? That seems like a great idea!
You're right here, and Fred Hoiberg coached all of these guys, not TJ. Does TJ get most of the credit for Fred's ridiculously good offense?
Now that TJ is a head coach he's leading a team that is in the bottom half of the Mountain West. Either the body of work he's creating NOW as a head coach is a part of your consideration, or it's something you ignore.
I'm not bashing the guy, just saying a top 15 type program can do better. Yes - Hilton Magic when on is a top 15 place to play.
CycloneErik
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People are in here saying, "Prohm can recruit but can't coach!" And then turnin around and saying, "We should hire TJ! He recruits well, which is the most important thing!"
I don't necessarily agree with the notion that Fred wouldn't have been able to keep getting transfers. He literally brought Burton to Ames in December prior to him leaving.
Yeah and I don't know why. Hoiberg got in trouble for the same thing. Well his staff did anyway
CycloneErik
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People don't realize how dirty this game is.
If phone calls and texts are a guy's problem, just shrug it off and win.
The stuff Sampson "did" isn't even against the rules now.
He doesn't have to be the guy, but he's gotta be on the short, short, short list.
