Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[HFCS]

For people who still think adding a giant new tv market is still top priority, shouldn't Boston College be everybody's #1 target?

UNLV should be the top Pac target if it's about adding a large new tv market in economical way.

I'm not talking about national brands like ND or Texas. There are only about 5-10 of those.

If you're not a national brand we are obviously in transition period where population of a city matters less and population of college football consumers matters more.

ISU stacks up in the latter. The question is if we are far enough into that transition.

 

[CyRann22]

For people who still think adding a giant new tv market is still top priority, shouldn't Boston College be everybody's #1 target?

UNLV should be the top Pac target if it's about adding a large new tv market in economical way.

I'm not talking about national brands like ND or Texas. There are only about 5-10 of those.

If you're not a national brand we are obviously in transition period where population of a city matters less and population of college football consumers matters more.

ISU stacks up in the latter. The question is if we are far enough into that transition.

You know in all of the data being floated about for tv market, it does not include the Omaha/Council Bluffs metro for Iowa State. The difference between Des Moines to Omaha and Des Moines to Iowa City is less than 21 miles.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

0% Big 12 with new friends
69% PAC 12+
31% B1G
0% AAC

Is this premium information?

 

[cyrocksmypants]

The Pac12 commish has already come out saying that they’re looking at expansion options to help the conference. You don’t say that if expansion isn’t actually the goal. And who are they going to expand with? The Big Ten? The SEC? The ACC on the other side of the country? It will be big 12 members. If they choose two, I like our chances. If they choose 4, we’re a lock.

 

[AuH2O]

ISU isn't driving national viewership. And attendance has nothing to do with any decision regarding whether a major conference will take ISU.

How about this? The average bump the Big12 teams got from ISU over their other opponents was just under 10%. Keep in mind that's comparing averages that include when teams play Texas and Oklahoma. Basically OU and UT gave everybody a huge bump. ISU and Okie St. gave everyone a good bump and the rest were varying shades of loser.

Go do the same analysis for any conference, you'll see that everybody gets stupid crazy boosts from OSU, and huge bumps for PSU and Michigan. The rest range from modest increase to loserville.

Same thing in the ACC. Same thing in the PAC.

The point is that in each respective conference UT, OU, OSU, Michigan, PSU, Clemson, ND, Oregon and USC give the rest of the conference a massive boost. Then there's a middle chunk of teams, ISU included that provide a nice bump down to neutral. Then there's a group in each conference that drags down ratings.

If somebody making actual decisions wants to, and I'm sure they would, they could take that sort of +/- and pretty easily attribute a share of viewership. And what they are going to find is that there are plenty of the teams in the ACC, PAC and even the Big 10 that don't bring the viewership that ISU does.

This isn't blue>green. This is 2>1. Not my fault. Blame the math.

 

[CascadeClone]

And Oregon was an afterthought a while ago too. So, your argument is absent of vision.

We need some alum to sell his company to google for $20B and then start writing giant checks for JP.
We need our high tech T.Boone / Phil K.

Unfortunately, this is not me. Anyone else?

 

[Dandy]

Is this premium information?

its nice information

 

[AuH2O]

No they don't. People obviously don't know what they are looking at or they have rose colored glasses on thinking that people around the country want to watch ISU.
What they say is that teams like Texas and OU draw huge numbers and that if you put games on major networks instead of FS1 or FS2 etc you get better viewership. Especially when the first few months of the season the college football inventory was low.

Or how about this - the average regular season game on the Fox fam of networks was about 1.6 million. The Fox family of network games includes the mighty Big 10, the PAC and Big 12. ISU's regular season avg. viewership was 1.8 million, and was distributed on a fairly similar level of channel (network, top tier cable like ESPN, Second tier like FS1 and turd tier like FS2). And the Fox family of networks had a good distribution of Top dogs to bad, the exception being the BTN took a lot of the ultra crap big 10 games, so Fox didn't have to show too many Rutgers, Maryland and Illinois games.

Sorry, man, you can do the math all kinds of ways, but in the end there are just a ton of data points telling us the same thing many different ways - ISU does a better job delivering viewers than a good chunk of teams in the Big 12, ACC, PAC, and even Big 10.

The numbers don't give a **** what idiots on the radio or twitter think about ISU's "brand."

Ball don't lie.

 

[Halincandenza]

Or how about this - the average regular season game on the Fox fam of networks was about 1.6 million. The Fox family of network games includes the mighty Big 10, the PAC and Big 12. ISU's regular season avg. viewership was 1.8 million, and was distributed on a fairly similar level of channel (network, top tier cable like ESPN, Second tier like FS1 and turd tier like FS2). And the Fox family of networks had a good distribution of Top dogs to bad, the exception being the BTN took a lot of the ultra crap big 10 games, so Fox didn't have to show too many Rutgers, Maryland and Illinois games.

Sorry, man, you can do the math all kinds of ways, but in the end there are just a ton of data points telling us the same thing many different ways - ISU does a better job delivering viewers than a good chunk of teams in the Big 12, ACC, PAC, and even Big 10.

The numbers don't give a **** what idiots on the radio or twitter think about ISU's "brand."

Ball don't lie.

Wow! I don't know if you just have cyclone colored glasses on or are just delusional.

 

[surly]

WACO, Texas (KWTX) - A Waco-area politician is part of a team of Texas lawmakers working to stop disruption in the Big 12 conference from happening through legislation.

“Here we go again, the University of Texas Regents appear to be making a decision timed to avoidance of the legislature,” State Sen. Brian Birdwell told KWTX Tuesday. “It causes us great concern.”

Birdwell, R, Granbury, says the idea of the University of Texas and Oklahoma University leaving the conference is worrisome as both Baylor and Texas Christian University are in his district.

Local lawmaker files bill to block Big 12 disruption

A Waco-area politician is part of a team of Texas lawmakers working to stop disruption in the Big 12 conference from happening through legislation.

www.kwtx.com

 

[jcyclonee]

We need some alum to sell his company to google for $20B and then start writing giant checks for JP.
We need our high tech T.Boone / Phil K.

Unfortunately, this is not me. Anyone else?

OK. I'll sell my company to google for $20B.

 

[Halincandenza]

How about this? The average bump the Big12 teams got from ISU over their other opponents was just under 10%. Keep in mind that's comparing averages that include when teams play Texas and Oklahoma. Basically OU and UT gave everybody a huge bump. ISU and Okie St. gave everyone a good bump and the rest were varying shades of loser.

Go do the same analysis for any conference, you'll see that everybody gets stupid crazy boosts from OSU, and huge bumps for PSU and Michigan. The rest range from modest increase to loserville.

Same thing in the ACC. Same thing in the PAC.

The point is that in each respective conference UT, OU, OSU, Michigan, PSU, Clemson, ND, Oregon and USC give the rest of the conference a massive boost. Then there's a middle chunk of teams, ISU included that provide a nice bump down to neutral. Then there's a group in each conference that drags down ratings.

If somebody making actual decisions wants to, and I'm sure they would, they could take that sort of +/- and pretty easily attribute a share of viewership. And what they are going to find is that there are plenty of the teams in the ACC, PAC and even the Big 10 that don't bring the viewership that ISU does.

This isn't blue>green. This is 2>1. Not my fault. Blame the math.

It doesn't matter if Rutgers or school X brings fewer fan viewership than ISU. They already have a seat at the table. ISU doesn't right now and they don't bring in the kind of revenue or national brand to make them some hot commodity for a conference to add. Big Ten makes a killing, why would the schools want to get less revenue to bring in ISU?

 

[surly]

... or Ku?

 

[AuH2O]

Wow! I don't know if you just have cyclone colored glasses on or are just delusional.

Good argument.

So which are you arguing, that 1.8 mil is actually not greater than 1.6 mil or are you suggesting Sports Business Daily publishes false viewership numbers?

And last, literally no one is suggesting that attendance is of direct importance. People are simply saying that it is a decent proxy for determining interest in a team. And when you look at it in comparison to TV viewership, it's pretty solid. There are some outliers, like Nebraska does a far better job drawing attendance in comparison to TV viewership, but otherwise it's a pretty good comp.

 

[Macloney]

Sh*ttng on ISU and disguising it as an opinion is unacceptable.

I suppose you're right about our profile compared to what we think our profile is...but there's a lot of that in the other direction too.

Out of the 64(5) P5 programs, ISU seems to rarely fall the below the mid 40's in all the positive indicators that I see here periodically...TV, attendance, budget, etc. So it'd be a real shame if we ended up on the outside looking in for power league football that included 64 teams, or even 50 teams. Now, I concede...a 32 team NFL lite, we're out, we're done.

And I do think that if you're in the business of selling football games ISU is a good investment. With the adequate infusion of cash, Campbell could really build a monster which would translate directly to success for whichever conference we occupy. I know that pinning everything on CMC is hard for an investor to swallow but our AD and presidents (since JP) have demonstrated that we're motivated to win and physically grow. More so that several Pac, and yes, B1G members. Not saying it'll translate to an invite. But we're a solid partner at the P5/4 level.

Being realistic doesn't seem like shitting on ISU at all.

One Fiesta Bowl. 9-3 with a loss to Louisiana. That is the top of the resume. Good fans, maybe great. KU had a 12-1 season and they are the worst program out there.

The guy across the office from me can tell me the starting O-line for any Wisconsin Badger team since 2000 and had to ask if Iowa State was in Ames. I don't think that the people who say that some posters on here overvalue ISU are off at all.

 

[HFCS]

It doesn't matter if Rutgers or school X brings fewer fan viewership than ISU. They already have a seat at the table. ISU doesn't right now and they don't bring in the kind of revenue or national brand to make them some hot commodity for a conference to add. Big Ten makes a killing, why would the schools want to get less revenue to bring in ISU?

Would Rutgers get a seat today is what is being asked? It's a good question. Certainly tv market still means something, clearly not as much as 14 years ago or you'd have never heard of Disney +.

Is UNLV a prime Pac target because big cable tv market and easy travel logistics? Or would OK State, ISU and KU in smaller cable tv markets actually generate more $ in the future because those smaller metros have far more actual real human viewers of the product.

I agree big ten doesn't need to add for the sake of adding, but metro cable tv population is losing importance by the year.

 

[MeanDean]

Being realistic doesn't seem like shitting on ISU at all.

One Fiesta Bowl. 9-3 with a loss to Louisiana. That is the top of the resume. Good fans, maybe great. KU had a 12-1 season and they are the worst program out there.

The guy across the office from me can tell me the starting O-line for any Wisconsin Badger team since 2000 and had to ask if Iowa State was in Ames. I don't think that the people who say that some posters on here overvalue ISU are off at all.

I spend 6 months of the year in Florida. My observation is the people who don't know the difference between Iowa and Iowa State (btw - most do) are the same ones that think Iowa, Indiana, and Idaho are the same place.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Being realistic doesn't seem like shitting on ISU at all.

One Fiesta Bowl. 9-3 with a loss to Louisiana. That is the top of the resume. Good fans, maybe great. KU had a 12-1 season and they are the worst program out there.

The guy across the office from me can tell me the starting O-line for any Wisconsin Badger team since 2000 and had to ask if Iowa State was in Ames. I don't think that the people who say that some posters on here overvalue ISU are off at all.

Sounds like he’s just a Wisconsin fan and not a college football fan.

 

[Cyclonepride]

The Pac12 commish has already come out saying that they’re looking at expansion options to help the conference. You don’t say that if expansion isn’t actually the goal. And who are they going to expand with? The Big Ten? The SEC? The ACC on the other side of the country? It will be big 12 members. If they choose two, I like our chances. If they choose 4, we’re a lock.

Agree, and I think it has to be 4. 16 teams makes a lot of sense, and puts a bigger stamp on the region. I'm curious if our desirability might make the Big Ten move quicker (if they do have interest), although we obviously aren't going to be in a position to slow play anything.

 

[madguy30]

Sounds like he’s just a Wisconsin fan and not a college football fan.

They're a pretty dedicated fanbase but most things they know about anyone outside of maybe 2-3 teams tends to be very little, and anything they know about other conferences is just 'the hits' that talking heads repeat over and over again.

WI's first Big Ten Title Game win: 42-39. Great game.

ISU loses 27-21 in Big 12 Title Game: nobody in that conference plays any defense.