Or Iowa. we should be spotless.
That second half at Iowa he would have been stomping so much that half the errant shots would have bounced in and the refs would have not blown whistles because they did not want to get hit with his profanity spears.
Is McDermott's job security in danger
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Or Iowa. we should be spotless.
That second half at Iowa he would have been stomping so much that half the errant shots would have bounced in and the refs would have not blown whistles because they did not want to get hit with his profanity spears.
To address the actual title of the thread, yes his job security is in danger...always has been - always will be to varying degrees. That's the nature of the business these days. I still feel he is building a program instead of a team however, and that takes time...much more than a lot of people seem willing to give him (not saying that's right or wrong BTW..we all have different expectaions, I guess).
I wished the refs were a little more scared of LE his final two years, when we sucked...
"Ronnie grab the vodka and come in here, I need a drink. This is going to be a long season" - Johnny Orr after his first practice at Iowa State.
We were terrible. You could but a ticket in the top row of Hilton and sit in the front row because no one was there.
We finished 8th in the Big 8 that year.
Are you delusional? Cyclone fans are patient to a fault. Frankly, I think our fan base needs to be more demanding.
At any rate, your comparison to Orr is ludicrous for a couple of huge reasons...first, the ISU program was far, far, far worse off when Orr took the spot than it has been ever since (THANK YOU JOHNNY ORR!!) and second, Johnny Orr brought a very substantial resume with him (no ISU coach since has had a resume even remotely close to Orr's as he came to ISU)...everyone knew he was going to win because he had done it at Michigan where he coached his team to the National Championship game in 1976.
I was pretty young through the Orr years...do you have any proof for this statement...My guess is they were both in a pretty similar situations.
Actually not. ISU had not sniffed post season play for over 40 years in BB when Orr was hired. Hilton was a morgue. ISU had absolutely no modern basketball tradition and was one of the poorest BB schools in a very poor Big 8 BB conference during the 70s.
Comparing Orr to anyone now is probably not fair. Different ball is being played now. Its just like in the NBA, do you honestly think a team from 30 years ago would really be able to keep up with the teams of today?
Style, tempo, strength, availablity of talent has all changed.
Style, tempo, strength, availablity of talent has all changed.
You can look at the Iowa State Media guide for his record. That's where I got the 8th place finish, the next year they finished 6th.
We also hadn't been to the post season since 1944. Johnny did take us to the NIT in 1984. NCAA Tournament in 1985, 1986.
My thoughts exactly...I was talking about where each started from as far as what was needed on the court.
Very true, it took time to get their system in place with the players that help it function. If McD doesnt get it done and hes let go, then the doubters can gripe all they want. It would just be easier to wait and see how thing pan out instead of talk it down every day when it really has no effect on the outcome regardless.
But then what would I do at work? Work? I don't think so.
Come on this game of competitive banter is terrific. Someone call Tony Re'ally (SP?)
Am I just as pissed, disappointed, embarrassed in our three losses as everybody else? Damn right I am, but getting down on our guys doesn't help anything. Opponents found a weakness...It's our job as a team to find the answer...It's going to happen with this team until we mature.
Nobody is comparing the teams of today to the teams of back then from what I read here. Obviously, those things are relative.
But it is clear, without question, that the ISU program that McDermott inherited was a better program than Orr inherited if for no other reason than we had some recent tradition of strong BB.
Additionally, I think many forget how big of a hire Johnny was...he was at Michigan and his teams were consisitently battling Indiana for the Big 10 Title back when the Big 10 was a dominant (maybe THE dominant) BB conference. Heck he was just a few years removed from having coached his team to the 1976 National Championship game where they lost to the last undefeated National Champion...Indiana.
A hire of this type in today's 24 hour sports/news over-the-top media world would have been plastered everywhere...a crappy BB school with no modern BB tradition in a crappy BB conference hires one of the best coaches in the country away from a prominent BB school with much recent success in a great BB conference.
You're both welcome!!!
*I'm not a LE supporter, he's just alot better X and O's coach than McD.
KG - lets talk a little basketball honestly here, I would like your opinion. I've heard Mac talk about UNI, Iowa and Drake going to the four guard offense against us and we are making substitutions to match up with them on that.
Is the reason we are reacting because we don't have a post that offensively, other then Craig, that can offset his defensive liability with his offensive potential?
It just seems to me that the match up could become favorable to us on the offensive end.
It was so bad before Coach Orr that I was a Hawkeye basketball fan at 8 years of age. I didn't even know they played basketball at times. Then Coach Orr came and got Barry Stevens and the rest is history.
40 years is a long time for no post season play. It would make almost anyone forget about the basketball team.
I really do not like to hear things like this.
In my opinion, one of the hallmarks of great coaches is that they play their game and force the other team to deal with it...they (and their teams) impose their will on the opposition.
Am I the only one that finds it offensive to think that Iowa State BB cannot impose their will on teams like UNI and Drake?
