Big10 - Pac12 - ACC Merger

[MeanDean]

Best case scenario. ISU and the majority of the Big 12 left-behinds find a place in the B1G and/or PAC. And the playoff committee votes to keep the playoff at 4 teams, one per P4 conference. The champions only.

I'd be equally pleased to have an 8 team playoff with division champions from each of the P4 conferences only.

**** the SEC and eSPn!

 

[RustShack]

Best case scenario. ISU and the majority of the Big 12 left-behinds find a place in the B1G and/or PAC. And the playoff committee votes to keep the playoff at 4 teams, one per P4 conference. The champions only.

I'd be equally pleased to have an 8 team playoff with division champions from each of the P4 conferences only.

**** the SEC and eSPn!

Id assume playoff vote is part of the alliance, but they grey area is a lot of G5 schools also have a vote in the playoff expansion, and they are going to want to increase their chances of getting in. At bare minimum it might be a guaranteed bid per power conference and at least one G5.

 

[Cloneon]

I would be thrilled to be a part of any of those 3 at this point...you are more optimistic than I am at this point...glad you feel that way! I guess I am in that doomsday scenario right now...I hope I am very wrong!

I don't mind you being a doomsdayer, but try not to drag everyone else down. There's no benefit to doing that. Thanks!

 

[cyfanatic]

I don't mind you being a doomsdayer, but try not to drag everyone else down. There's no benefit to doing that. Thanks!

I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. But at the same time it really isn't conducive to conversation if one is limited to a specific point of view in a discussion. I don't come on here and rant...I just try to have a bit of realism mixed in with my hopes. People shouldn't be brought "down" by how I feel anyway...no more so than people should be let down if what I fear happens based solely on the opinions expressed on a message board. I mean...there are a few people on here with legit info from sources for sure...but most of us don't have that. We just come here for an outlet...in a discussion like this topic it shouldn't be limited to a pep rally! That should happen here when we are prepping for a game or after a win! Anyways...all good with what you are asking but I just have a hard time forcing myself to only think about how this will only end in a good way for the good guys! Peace!

 

[ImperialCyclone]

He is a moron, and I doubt a Cyclone fan.

I may be a pessimist, but hardly a moron. Born and raised a Cyclone. I don’t know you and won’t put you down (though we disagree).

 

[Cyclones1969]

Oh gee, another tough-talking, frustrated control freak who, instead of just disagreeing and stating reasons why, has the apparent interest and concern in who should post and who should not, and in deciding for himself who is really a "fan" or not.
All, of course, behind the safety and anonymity of the keyboard. Pathetic.

I’m going to guess you are not smart enough to understand how ironic you’re being here.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

Not saying whether he should post or not. Just saying that his horse is dead and it's time to stop beating it. There are only so many ways he can keep saying Iowa State is doomed, and I believe he's exhausted them all. Judging by the reactions of others, I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way.

We can disagree. That we can agree on.

 

[jbhtexas]

Just a thought. Kinda seems to me almost like ESPN is trying to salvage the remaining schools. Not very competently, but salvage nonetheless.

They probably are, because if the (8) Big 12 schools don't find a well-paying home, there is going to be a humongous future loss lawsuit filed by those 8 teams, and ESPN is going to be right in the middle of it.

There's is a reason why Bowlsby and several other of the Big 8 presidents were talking about collusion and how the OU/UT/SEC/ESPN cabal violated the Big 12 bylaws. I don't think the money for the remaining term of the GOR, while significant, was the primary focus of those comments.

 

[CNECloneFan]

Plotting against the Big 12 at this point would be like plotting to stop Adam Woodbury from winning Mr. Universe. Mad Fran from winning Miss Congeniality. KU football from becoming a college football superpower.

All that **** is going to take care of itself.

This. In many ways, why the hell WOULD they involve the Big 12?

Ugh.

I hate these posts but I have to agree.

 

[HawaiiClone]

Here is an interesting article on the P5 college team TV viewers. The analysis is for 2015 – 2019.

Which college football programs bring in the most TV viewers?

ISU and TCU are specifically mentioned in the article. The TV rankings of the P5 programs along with the teams that could be added to the Big 12 are included. It's a little disappointing to see ISU ranked at #44. OSU (#19), TCU (#24), Baylor (#35), and TX Tech (#37) are ranked higher than ISU. Those teams probably benefit from the Texas market. It will be interesting to see what happens without TX and OU. West Virginia (#30) is also ranked higher than ISU. They would be a good fit in the ACC. Kansas State is at #51 while Kansas is very close to the bottom of the list at #70).

Possible B12 additions include BYU (#46), Houston (#50), UCF (#58), Memphis (#59), Boise State (#62), Cincinnati (#64), USF (#66), and SMU (#73 - last on list). Iowa land Nebraska look good at #21 and #22, respectively. Former Big 12 Colorado is about where you would expect at #56. It is surprising that Missouri is ranked at #55. RUTGERS IS AT #72 WHICH IS DISCOURAGING TO SEE ON BEHALF OF ISU WHICH FITS THE BIG 10 BETTER.

It seems like Rutgers being #72 could potentially show the Big 10 that the New York market is being underutilized by Rutgers. Not only is NY being underutilized, but the writer's other report indicates that Rutgers is rated #51 in value (versus ISU being #40).

Maryland, Purdue and Illinois also rank lower in both of these categories compared to ISU. It makes me wonder if the financial advantage ISU provides (according to these reports) is large enough for the Big 10 to decide that ISU should replace one of these schools in their conference. Considering exit fees and other factors there could be a ton of holes in this argument. Oh well, just a little brainstorming .

 

[Cyched]

I’m going to guess you are not smart enough to understand how ironic you’re being here.

It’s like rain on your wedding day

 

[Cloneon]

I understand what you are saying and appreciate it. But at the same time it really isn't conducive to conversation if one is limited to a specific point of view in a discussion. I don't come on here and rant...I just try to have a bit of realism mixed in with my hopes. People shouldn't be brought "down" by how I feel anyway...no more so than people should be let down if what I fear happens based solely on the opinions expressed on a message board. I mean...there are a few people on here with legit info from sources for sure...but most of us don't have that. We just come here for an outlet...in a discussion like this topic it shouldn't be limited to a pep rally! That should happen here when we are prepping for a game or after a win! Anyways...all good with what you are asking but I just have a hard time forcing myself to only think about how this will only end in a good way for the good guys! Peace!

Understood, but please understand 'opinion' mixed in with some facts is great. Opinion alone not so much. Thanks though for your candid response.

 

[t-noah]

I’m old, and I have seen Iowa State beat Oklahoma exactly 3 times in my life.

The two of those in the last 4 years have made me happier than any win over Iowa, even 1998

Especially now. And if we can beat them again, soon/ hopefully this year, all the better!

 

[t-noah]

Then why in the heck is the ACC involved then?

The ACC is hogtied to ESPN through 2036 with a substandard contract. The only way they get that contract upgraded is via expansion. Their motives with the Alliance are rather clear. It may create an avenue to expansion for them with Notre Dame and perhaps West Virginia as well. Any ESPN writers' take on this stuff needs to be taken with an extreme grain of salt.

The primary purpose of this Alliance is not for "scheduling purposes". From the B10's and P12"s perspective, this Alliance was created to preclude ESPN from getting full control of an expanded CFP and thus increase the value of bids for regular season content from Fox and other potential bidders like CBS, NBC, Amazon and Apple who all have streaming platforms that are in need of original new content like live sports. And the quest for content on those platforms may facilitate expansion funding for the B10 and P12, especially if those bidders also have partial rights to the expanded CFP.

Extreme grain or large boulder. Agree.

 

[t-noah]

I presume that this is really about which conference gets ISU, right?

YES.

 

[CycloneVet]

I guess that's where I'm sitting on this. When I see "ACC/Big 10/Pac 12 alliance" without the Big 12 included, I see that as the Big 12 is as good as carved up at this point, and that to me means ISU has a place in this as a member of one of these conferences, likely either with the Big 10 or Pac 12. And I'm totally fine with that. I'm not one of those that is stuck on the sanctity of the Big 12 or pining for the old days of the Big 8 (in fact I was still a Hawkeye fan back then). All I care about is the future relevance of ISU, and if that's as a member of the Big 10 or Pac 12, or hell, as a member of the ACC, more power to us.

The math almost works out for the remaining big 12 to be carved up and placed into 16 team conferences. West Virginia and Notre Dame to the ACC. ISU and KU to the B1G. KSU, OSU, TTech, TCU to the PAC.

In this scenario we land in a good spot and everyone tells Baylor to **** off. I’d say that’s a win win.

 

[ISU4NH]

The math almost works out for the remaining big 12 to be carved up and placed into 16 team conferences. West Virginia and Notre Dame to the ACC. ISU and KU to the B1G. KSU, OSU, TTech, TCU to the PAC.

In this scenario we land in a good spot and everyone tells Baylor to **** off. I’d say that’s a win win.

Is this why we aren't hearing a peep out of Bowlsby and our respective AD's?

 

[Cyclones1969]

Is this why we aren't hearing a peep out of Bowlsby and our respective AD's?

That’s more because there’s exit fees, and the matter with espn to deal with before anything can be done

 

[Cloneon]

That’s more because there’s exit fees, and the matter with espn to deal with before anything can be done

Throw in the agreements with the other P5s (san SEC/ACC) on scheduling alliance and the whole thing starts to make more sense. But, still too soon to go public.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Throw in the agreements with the other P5s (san SEC/ACC) on scheduling alliance and the whole thing starts to make more sense. But, still too soon to go public.

Plus the Big 10 and Pac 12 getting ready to redo their TV contracts.