IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[Win5002]

If the PAC announces at the end of the week, we will probably all know whether the Big 12 is getting parsed out or if the Big 12 will instead be looking to expand 2-4 teams between now and 2025.

If the PAC will add teams, they want to do it before their tv negotiations coming up as well as give them time to do something profitable with their network. If you are going to add the state of Texas to your territory, you want Texas added before you negotiate and do something with your network.

If the PAC says they will expand I think there is indication ESPN is trying to place everyone in lieu of exit fees and lawsuits which is probably best for the individual B12 schools, if the PAC says no I don't buy the idea they are wanting ESPN/OU & UT required to pay everything they can be forced to and then turn around and add the B12 schools. Unfortunately, the cultures of the PAC & B12 are not great fits but the PAC might be able to be bought.

 

[Cyballzz]

For what? Death??

I am guessing you don't remember what our "facilities" (and I use that term loosely) were a decade ago...

 

[cycloner29]

How come JP didn’t see this coming and position us appropriately?? We’ve been on a perp walk/death March since the last time Texas threatened this back in what, 2009/2010???

We are saddled with debt that we may not be able to repay. We may require a taxpayer bailout. I fear for our D1 status. We can’t afford to cut any sports. We need a revenue injection or it’s going to be difficult to compete.

Yeahbuddy nice try!!

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I will happily put up with years of “Well if it wasn’t for us your program would’ve died, we saved you, etc.” from Hawkeye fans if it means we get to be in the B1G.

I just can't help but laugh at the irony of a bunch of Tavern Hoks pretending like they have anything to do with it. LOL Iowa would literally be in the exact same position as Iowa State if the roles were reversed. If Iowa State lands in the B1G it won't be because they were thrown a lifeline, it will be because of perceived value.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Are Kansas City fans really watching Jayhawks football?

 

[Win5002]

This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.

Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.

Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.

Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.

Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12

The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.

www.mercurynews.com

I really hope fans of remaining B12 schools, AAC & MWC tune out of national broadcasts involving the P4 leagues to show CFB it needs to remain a national sport and be more inclusive.

 

[CyclonimusPrime]

Exactly my point with the KC market thing.


Are Kansas City fans really watching Jayhawks football?

I never like to answer a question with a question, but do Jayhawks fans watch Jayhawks football?

 

[IceCyIce]

No

 

[Gunnerclone]

This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.

Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.

Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.

Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.

Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12

The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.

www.mercurynews.com

There are lots of things I may not WANT to do, yet I HAVE to do. These media morons see content and their bonus structure lighting up with the hits. It’s cheap money right now for these people.

 

[MugNight]

I just can't help but laugh at the irony of a bunch of Tavern Hoks pretending like they have anything to do with it. LOL Iowa would literally be in the exact same position as Iowa State if the roles were reversed. If Iowa State lands in the B1G it won't be because they were thrown a lifeline, it will be because of perceived value.

I agree with you. It’ll just be a convenient talking point for them to hang their hats on when we beat them in conference matchups.

 

[JM4CY]

I never like to answer a question with a question, but do Jayhawks fans watch Jayhawks football?

Maybe if they bet on it.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

I think the Big 10, the PAC 12, and the ACC are going to publicly say that they are not expecting to expand, but they are secretly making plans to do so on the DL. I think part of their “gentlemen’s agreement” between conferences is to try and make the SEC, Texas, and OU pay out as much as possible. If they go poaching the Big 12 leftovers now that kind of messes things up. I think they’ve agreed not to do that publicly yet.

Agreed. Publicly they drew a line in the sand for SECESPN and privately, more happened that is not yet for public consumption.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

There are lots of things I may not WANT to do, yet I HAVE to do. These media morons see content and their bonus structure lighting up with the hits. It’s cheap money right now for these people.

There's a reason The Athletic has been firing out content like no other... and it's all been very negative towards the angry 8.

 

[knowlesjam]

How come JP didn’t see this coming and position us appropriately?? We’ve been on a perp walk/death March since the last time Texas threatened this back in what, 2009/2010???

We are saddled with debt that we may not be able to repay. We may require a taxpayer bailout. I fear for our D1 status. We can’t afford to cut any sports. We need a revenue injection or it’s going to be difficult to compete.

Yeah Pollard has certainly been sitting on his hands since 2010...
- Sports Performance Center and Trice Renovations
- Sukup End Zone Club
- Hilton Renovations
- Overpass and RV (500 slots) expansion
- Future City Center

and hired a head coach named Campbell.

Had the foresight to reduce pay in the Athletic Department (including Coaches) by 10% (unlike Iowa) and thus reduced the COVID debt to a manageable $25M (unlike Iowa, which had to get a $50M loan from the university).

Yeah, Pollard sat on his hands and did nothing...

Gimee a break...do some homework.

 

[AuH2O]

This is from the PAC 12 guru on the west coast John Wilner. I would think he has some sources, if PAC expansion was serious. The Big 12 being snapped up from other leagues doesn't look good. It looks more like they want to give lip service to "the Big 12 matters" and then turn around and leave them out of decision making, scheduling and try and further distance the P4 from the B12.

Quote from ACC commissioner:
You cannot very well form a partnership designed to “stabilize a volatile environment,” in the words of ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, then implement a strategy that creates instability. You cannot very well adhere to the belief that the Big 12 “matters in college athletics” (also Phillips), then actively participate in its undoing.

Quote from PAC commissioner:
You cannot very well say “the things you can achieve by expanding are things we can achieve by the relationships we announced this morning” with the alliance — as Kliavkoff told Sports Illustrated — and then turn around and expand.

Wilner in the article:
In addition to the lack of obvious economic and institutional fits, there is another piece to consider — perhaps the most important piece of all: There is zero indication the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors want to expand.
***This goes to the cultural and academic fit between the leagues and the premise I have mentioned that the PAC 12 won't expand unless paid to do so from ESPN, maybe FOX on a lesser basis.

Pac-12 stock report: Expansion calculation changes (slightly), UCLA’s big chance, ASU’s huge loss and some help for the Big 12

The alliance created with the Big Ten and ACC is designed to add stability to the college sports landscape. That makes it tougher for the Pac-12 to justify expansion.

www.mercurynews.com

I really hope fans of remaining B12 schools, AAC & MWC tune out of national broadcasts involving the P4 leagues to show CFB it needs to remain a national sport and be more inclusive.

Super dumb take by that writer. The basis for no expansion is largely that if the other leagues rescue the teams they would be "plundering" the Big 12, thus being predatory and contradictory to the "Big 12 matters" statement. Nobody, including the ACC or the Big 12 member institutions think the Big 12 as an entity matter. If all the schools got snatched up nobody is going to be saying, "man, those other conferences were predatory." Everybody would view an invite as a lifeline. Only teams left behind would view it negatively. What a stupid conclusion to draw.

And second, like the others, it's the typical "no value" argument. Again. If the team that would be third in your league in viewership would not add value, your league is as good as dead. Only a PAC homer would think they can stick with the status quo and not die.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

@Gonzo after Iowa cut the sports last year, how many mens and womens sports do they currently have, or will have after the cuts? Just for comparison.

MN cut 2-4 sports last year too.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Couldn't Hockey be at minimum a break even revenue sport? Popular with fans. (Especially if they sell beer) Recruiting, they are basically in the middle of a Jr. A league. (USHL)

Startup costs would be high, but hockey makes money at some schools. Not sure if it would at ISU and don’t know that the ROI on startup would ever realized.

 

[2speedy1]

Hilton was built to accommodate both basketball and ice hockey. It didn't work out too well. Trying to make ice for the first hockey games was slower and more problematic than expected (ice was so thin sparks were flying causing holdups to pour water on bald spots). When ice had been formed, trying to put an insulated basketball floor on top of formed ice made the floor cold and clammy.

I suppose there have been substantial improvements in insulating floors on top of ice but I think re-installing ice equipment would be cost prohibitive.

I think tech has significantly improved since it was originally built, to make improvements on the design, if they wanted to go that route.

That being said, if Hockey were ever to be upgraded, I doubt they go that route. It would be a much better option for a purpose built facility to be built.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Super dumb take by that writer. The basis for no expansion is largely that if the other leagues rescue the teams they would be "plundering" the Big 12, thus being predatory and contradictory to the "Big 12 matters" statement. Nobody, including the ACC or the Big 12 member institutions think the Big 12 as an entity matter. If all the schools got snatched up nobody is going to be saying, "man, those other conferences were predatory." Everybody would view an invite as a lifeline. Only teams left behind would view it negatively. What a stupid conclusion to draw.

And second, like the others, it's the typical "no value" argument. Again. If the team that would be third in your league in viewership would not add value, your league is as good as dead. Only a PAC homer would think they can stick with the status quo and not die.

Wilner is as plugged in with the Pac-12 as it gets. So it may be dumb but I have no doubt that he knows as much as anyone of what the Pac-12 brass are thinking. It’s quite possible that they decide to do the thing we believe is dumb.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Oh, I have no doubt hockey at ISU would be mega-popular and an arena would packed and crazy. Super crazy and fun. Think Hilton on steroids crazy fun. But it's a mega-buck investment.

If you get BTN, I think those hockey games are televised on Friday nights. Huge, noisy crowds all over that conference.

After IA, the second largest enrollment is kids from MN. MN overtook IL, several years ago.