IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

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How much debt is our athletic department carrying? I know we had a 20MM loan for the loss this last year, but what is our total indebtedness?
 

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Wonder if they think their BTAA will get boosted that much from KU and ISU? I don't know the specifics how they share things. We are just shy of 600 MM in research funding, unsure of KU. Almost seems they are thinking we share research money. No way ISU splits their research money like that.
Correct. Sometimes there are grants to a select group of universities that makes sense because they proposed such..... generally individual grants.
 

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One reason for the conferences to expand would be more inventory of games to get played on television, so the conference would have an additional 2 football games per week to sell to whatever network/s. One would assume they would get equal money per team to what they previously got.

At least that's what I'm telling myself to not worry about the situation.
 

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One reason for the conferences to expand would be more inventory of games to get played on television, so the conference would have an additional 2 football games per week to sell to whatever network/s. One would assume they would get equal money per team to what they previously got.

At least that's what I'm telling myself to not worry about the situation.
If the big ten added KU/ISU, it would be one more game a week.
 

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You know, when you have a chance to step back from the PAC situation (daves comments allowed us to do that for a bit), you see things you didn't before. I always thought this wouldn't finish for a couple years, now I think this very well is the last year due to the PAC wanting to not wait 3 more years on a crappy deal and FOX not wanting to gamble on losing more teams/inventory. If the PAC comes to FOX, CBS, whoever, and says we have your 12 pm ET timeslot inventory, that may allow an early renegotiation of their deal and now make the PACN way more attractive. It may lead to that thing gaining a load of subscribers. If they can pick up a TCU and pull a big ten and force payment in Texas (of if TT can bring the same thing) that could shove a lot of money to them. I know that cable is old school but right now they are so far behind, something like that allows them time to grab some money and position themselves for the future.

I see the PAC now as the driver of any expansion. They don't have much for options out there and just using that alliance doesn't help them much in the long run, they need earlier games and the midwest plus texas would do that. They at minimum take OSU and a texas team in my opinion. If they do that, they are still limited on games, because their early game is either one of those each week. I think they go four to have a couple options and increased inventory. That then points to either a combo of KU/ISU or one of them and another texas team.
I'm coming around to thinking that every school in the Big 12 is going to get a landing spot in one of the other major conferences. There will be a significant buy-in for each school to the new respective conferences. However, this will be partially offset by the OK and TX payout (20-30M) to each school (maybe the SEC kicks in a little too so that this happens a bit sooner Booo! quicker). ESPN may overpay a bit for some Tier 2/3 inventory in the new conferences to help with this also. This would keep Disney's name out of any major lawsuit.

If this happens, it makes sense for ISU and KU to go to the BIG. OSU, KSU, and two of the Texas schools to go to the PAC. The other TX school would go to the ACC with WVU. I'm sure the PAC would prefer TCU and TT but the ACC may get first dibs if they can offer a better package.

In this scenario, ND remains independent (but affiliated with the ACC) and the AAC and MWC still get a theoretical chance to play for a title.

Playing it out this way, there is significant change but nobody is alienating a huge number of fans and college football as a whole remains popular.
 

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If the big ten added KU/ISU, it would be one more game a week.

Theoretically - however, with the Big 10 moving to having week zero games, and early games, I bet they'd try to start spreading the noncon games out. So I think they'll have more random games spread throughout the season.
 

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Regarding the research question above, there are related things that likely matter and help ISU's case for the B1G in not only showing an academic fit but also cultural.

There are more general things like:
(1) creation of the first electronic digital computer,
(2) ISU's role on the Manhattan Project (in collaboration I believe with the University of Chicago, previously a member of the B1G and still a member of the Big Ten Academic Alliance)
(3) George Washington Carver's education and research before leaving for the Tuskegee Institute
(4) Henry A. Wallace's contributions to agricultural research (including Pioneer Hybrid)

Most people outside of ISU or even reading this board would not be aware of these things. Such things surely matter more than Nebraska's success on the football field prior to becoming a B1G member, which I've read are included in B1G highlight reels of past success.

I am aware of some more specific things I might try to post later.
(5) The water
 

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Playing it out this way, there is significant change but nobody is alienating a huge number of fans and college football as a whole remains popular.

If I'm being honest, if ISU and KU end up in the Big 10, WVU and a TX school end up in the ACC, and the PAC gets a few schools I think college football is actually in a better spot than it currently is. That's just me though.
 

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Theoretically - however, with the Big 10 moving to having week zero games, and early games, I bet they'd try to start spreading the noncon games out. So I think they'll have more random games spread throughout the season.
yeah, I guess with Non cons, that would run it up to an average of 1.25 more games a week.
 

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If I'm being honest, if ISU and KU end up in the Big 10, WVU and a TX school end up in the ACC, and the PAC gets a few schools I think college football is actually in a better spot than it currently is. That's just me though.

If ISU and KU go to the B1G, WVU goes to the ACC, KSU/OSU/Tech/TCU go to the Pac-16, and all three leagues play each other a lot with their 16 teams each (ND counting as half in the ACC) while the SEC kinda does its own thing, and then all four leagues are represented in the playoff along with at least one G5, then I totally agree.

Oh, and I almost forgot, Baylor ends up in the American. That also makes CFB better than it currently is.
 

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Adding some Big 12 teams and increasing their TV revenue kind of go hand in hand, no?

Yes, but not in how it matters.

Adding schools does create incremental media revenue. But for Pac12 schools to add a school, the new school would need to add at least $32M (in 2019/20 dollars) of incremental TV $.

The $32M was each Pac12 school's share of overall Pac12 media rights monies.
 

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For conference play right? Non con would be 2 games a week, right? So it wouldn't be much more but wouldn't add 15 games total?
Man, I didn't think there would be any math.

Each plays 9 conference games so 18 games, but in conference so you divide by 2. So at 9 games. That leaves us with 3 non cons and guessing they don't play anybody in conference for a non con, so that is 3*2 for 6. So yes, 15 games total. Now spread that out over 12 or 13 weeks will give you the amount of weekly increase.
 
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Regarding the research question above, there are related things that likely matter and help ISU's case for the B1G in not only showing an academic fit but also cultural.

There are more general things like:
(1) creation of the first electronic digital computer,
(2) ISU's role on the Manhattan Project (in collaboration I believe with the University of Chicago, previously a member of the B1G and still a member of the Big Ten Academic Alliance)
(3) George Washington Carver's education and research before leaving for the Tuskegee Institute
(4) Henry A. Wallace's contributions to agricultural research (including Pioneer Hybrid)

Most people outside of ISU or even reading this board would not be aware of these things. Such things surely matter more than Nebraska's success on the football field prior to becoming a B1G member, which I've read are included in B1G highlight reels of past success.

I am aware of some more specific things I might try to post later.
Also, having the only college football stadium named after an African-American (and having that take place decades before anybody else) probably helps a little bit too. This combines both the cultural and athletic fit.
 
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Short term I think the Big 12 expands. UCF, Memphis, Cincy, BYU, Houston all appear to be in the mix. Get the payout for Texas and OK, buy a few years and then hopefully we land in the Big 10 by 2025.
That is probably not realistic. No way the AAC schools leave a conference to get dumped in 3 years.

Any school coming to a New Big12 is going to want a GOR in place into the 2030's.

A BYU, Army, UConn might be interested in a scheduling alliance similar to what Big10, ACC & PAC12 just announced.
 
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That is probably not realistic. No way the AAC schools leave a conference to get dumped in 3 years.

Any school coming to a New Big12 is going to want a GOR in place into the 2030's.

A BYU, Army, UConn might be interested in a scheduling alliance similar to what Big10, ACC & PAC12 just announced.

You are definitely right about the bolded but I just don't see a GOR extension happening if there is any chance left that the other power leagues would expand. All 8 schools would need to be totally convinced that there is no shot in order to extend the GOR. Otherwise, if Cincy and UCF say "No deal without a GOR," then we say fine and go invite Boise State instead, or Memphis, or someone else who really isn't that much different than them.
 

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Lol almost pissed myself laughing at this.
 
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