Is This Longhorn Sarcasm?

[isucy86]

How old are you like 10? How do you not understand how this all works? Or are you just joking around here??

Do you understand how it HAS worked. College sports has been the bastion of socialism in America. Its not just in the Big12, but every P5 and G5 conference- schools share revenue pretty evenly. Rutgers gets the same $ as OSU. Wake Forest gets about the same as Clemson. Even at the student athlete level- the best football & basketball players receive the same scholarship money as the last player on the bench. So being financially equal has been the norm in college sports.

That momentum is changing with NIL and potential for student-athlete collective bargaining. So Texas & OU's actions are part of the new paradigm. The backhanded way OU & Texas went about it, is what is wrong.

But yes, it would be right by Cyclone fans to point out that Texas has underperformed while in the Big 12. That did mean less $ for the conference & ISU. They won like 3 conference football championships over the 25 years they were in the Big 12. Comparatively, OU kicked Longhorn butt.

If they were stocks, OU would be Apple and Texas would be GM over the past 25 years.

 

[CentexCyclone]

The Oklahoma boards are saying the same thing. It is true, they generate the higher ratings in football that produces the revenue.

But the OU and Texas brands have been built kicking the crap out of us as our school didn't have the resources outside of the TV contracts to compete viably with either one of them until we got an AD that tried and in many ways succeeded.

So 10-12 years from now they will be complaining about how Vandy, Tennessee, South Carolina, Missouri, Mississippi, and Mississippi State are riding their coat tails. Are they going to dump them also?

To be honest I am going to be interested to see how both fan bases react to 8-4 or 9-3 records every year. I am not even sure Texas will do that well.

Texas is in the Nebraska glide path. They’ve had one good year in the last decade and starting another rebuild on the eve of SEC membership. Texas will make good money, but is facing another 10 years of mediocrity. Maybe a decade of getting their a$$ handed to them in the SEC West will cause them to finally clean out the cultural deadwood that has prevented Texas football from performing up to their recruiting rankings.

 

[mp444]

The Oklahoma boards are saying the same thing. It is true, they generate the higher ratings in football that produces the revenue.

But the OU and Texas brands have been built kicking the crap out of us as our school didn't have the resources outside of the TV contracts to compete viably with either one of them until we got an AD that tried and in many ways succeeded.

So 10-12 years from now they will be complaining about how Vandy, Tennessee, South Carolina, Missouri, Mississippi, and Mississippi State are riding their coat tails. Are they going to dump them also?

To be honest I am going to be interested to see how both fan bases react to 8-4 or 9-3 records every year. I am not even sure Texas will do that well.

Texas has lost fewer than 4 games once since 2010 (last year while only playing 10 games). They've finished ranked higher than 19 in the AP poll once since 2010. Texas did have a really, really good run from 2001-2009. It looked like Texas was building something the last few years (finished ranked in AP poll each of the last 3 years when they had only finished ranked once the previous 8 years), but they fired their coach.

Oklahoma is a different story.

 

[I@ST1]

Do you understand how it HAS worked. College sports has been the bastion of socialism in America. Its not just in the Big12, but every P5 and G5 conference- schools share revenue pretty evenly. Rutgers gets the same $ as OSU. Wake Forest gets about the same as Clemson. Even at the student athlete level- the best football & basketball players receive the same scholarship money as the last player on the bench. So being financially equal has been the norm in college sports.

That momentum is changing with NIL and potential for student-athlete collective bargaining. So Texas & OU's actions are part of the new paradigm. The backhanded way OU & Texas went about it, is what is wrong.

But yes, it would be right by Cyclone fans to point out that Texas has underperformed while in the Big 12. That did mean less $ for the conference & ISU. They won like 3 conference football championships over the 25 years they were in the Big 12. Comparatively, OU kicked Longhorn butt.

If they were stocks, OU would be Apple and Texas would be GM over the past 25 years.

Haha. Yes, I know how it works. But I CAN guarantee you that having UT in the conference has financially benefited ISU. If YOU don’t understand that. I’m sorry.

 

[2122]

Looks like its Horns Down from here on out...

 

[kirk89gt]

All one has to do is read this ESPN article as it tells you all you need to know about Texas and their part in destroying the SWC. 25 years later they did it again. That may be .500 in the future SEC. Careful what you wish for.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ll-demise-southwest-conference-25-years-later

 

[Peter]

Texas is a garbage. 0 appearances in the CFP. 3 conference championships in 25 years of league play. One natty 16 years ago. For a supposedly flagship program, they carry no water for the league. Baylor and TCU have done far more for the conference than Texas ever has.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Texas benefitted more... with the network they were allowed to have. Yet, they underachieved despite a huge financial advantage. They truly are a disappointment and their fans know it. They are all bark and no bite.

This is Texas so more appropriate to say...

 

[davegilbertson]

Does this article need a jimlad? Because I don’t remember UT football or basketball helping out ISU football or hoops at all.

I liked the big 8 pretty well when we took texan leftovers. It's been various shades of ****** ever since. I'd be all in favor of taking back original big 8 members, adding TCU and a few others.

 

[harimad]

Does this article need a jimlad? Because I don’t remember UT football or basketball helping out ISU football or hoops at all.

It’s pretty short sighted if the article didn’t note that we’re the only conference in which they could have LHN.

 

[CyBobby]

Texas needed the Big 12 just as much as we needed them. Do you think that they would have gotten preferential treatment if they were an SEC or Big 10 member this last decade? Also I doubt that they sign the sweet Longhorn Network deal if they were in another conference. They made a ton of money being in the Big 12. It’s not like they were just in the conference out of the goodness of their hearts. The only thing that Texas has cared about this whole time is themselves.

The Texas Legacy will be thus....THE MITE HORNS BROKE UP BOTH THE SOUTHWEST CONF AND THE BIG 12 CONFERENCE .....& ushering in an era of ONE SUPER CONFERENCE EXCLUSIVELY ON ESPN!!!

 

[CyBobby]

they also took money from everyone else. They also kept all of their tier 3 money. ISU couldn't. They can blow me.

"They can blow me." I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS THE WHOLE STATE OF TEXAS CAN BE BLOWN TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE.....

 

[Thomasrickj]

I went back and looked at how Texas did, in conference, beginning in 2014, and Texas has been horrible.
2014: 6
2015: 7
2016: 7
2017: 6
2018: 2
2019: 5
2020: 4

Texas is not a powerhouse and has not been for quite some time. Sure, they bring in the most money, but they're losing how much money they bring in each year for the conference while schools like Iowa State are increasing revenue every season. Texas blows and in the SEC they're going to just fall into obscurity as a .500 or slightly above .500 team every year.

From 2017 on, both Iowa State and Texas have the same amount of total wins, yet Texas tries to talk like we don't matter and they do. They've turned into another Michigan where they brag about their past but can't win anymore.

 

[HFCS]

Texas needed the Big 12 just as much as we needed them. Do you think that they would have gotten preferential treatment if they were an SEC or Big 10 member this last decade? Also I doubt that they sign the sweet Longhorn Network deal if they were in another conference. They made a ton of money being in the Big 12. It’s not like they were just in the conference out of the goodness of their hearts. The only thing that Texas has cared about this whole time is themselves.

I'm pretty sure there were a handful of years they had the #1 overall media payout in all of college athletics.

Such a tough road for them.

 

[HFCS]

Ha, not at all. I’m very, very, very pro ISU. I’m also realistic.

But it's every sports league in history in every sport.

The Yankees carry the MLB in some ways, but nobody would care about baseball if the only five teams were the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers and Giants. People care because there's a local option everywhere.

SEC fans and at least that Texas writer seem to be completely unaware of this. Nobody outside the footprint cares about the SEC unless their local team is playing them non conf.

There has never been a sports league anywhere in history that wouldn't suffer without its top teams, but it's also universal that the top teams can't function without a group of competitive teams to compete with.

The article is the biggest example of myopia I can think of.

 

[I@ST1]

But it's every sports league in history in every sport.

The Yankees carry the MLB in some ways, but nobody would care about baseball if the only five teams were the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers and Giants. People care because there's a local option everywhere.

SEC fans and at least that Texas writer seem to be completely unaware of this. Nobody outside the footprint cares about the SEC unless their local team is playing them non conf.

There has never been a sports league anywhere in history that wouldn't suffer without its top teams, but it's also universal that the top teams can't function without a group of competitive teams to compete with.

The article is the biggest example of myopia I can think of.

I don’t disagree. But I stated that we have benefited from Texas. And that’s a true statement.

 

[knowlesjam]

I don’t disagree. But I stated that we have benefited from Texas. And that’s a true statement.

I agree...the TV contract $'s we have received are do in large part to the OuT teams. However, isn't Texas doing now with the SEC that we did with the Big 12? Funny...but at least ISU is currently successful at football...Texas, just another notch in Alabama's bedpost.

 

[CYTUTT]

If Texas doesn't need us, or any other team in the B12, then why did the LHN fail? Please, no team is an island and without the cooperation of other teams, all the blue bloods would bleed red.

We are dealing with a tremendous bias that lives on the east coast. College Football is not socialism! We would not be in this situation if it were. Yes, we get money from the league, but teams have to show their worth. Some of it has to do with alliances made a hundred years ago, but ISU had to bring Something to the table.

Now that we can compete with anyone, the bigger, richer schools don’t like the parity and will crush it.

 

[HFCS]

I don’t disagree. But I stated that we have benefited from Texas. And that’s a true statement.

It's myopic because it focuses on the advantages other teams had via Texas viewership, but ignores the countless benefits Texas got from leaving the SWC and merging with the Big 8.

An Oklahoma blogger could actually write a piece about Texas being carried/rescued by OU and it would make as much or more sense given Oklahoma wasn't playing conference games at Rice as recently as the mid 90s like Texas was.

 

[HFCS]

General consensus of Texas fans in that thread is that it was really hard to be better than mediocre in the Big 12, but now in the SEC it will be very easy to be good.

They were already getting SEC money or even greater than SEC money for a long portion of their mediocre stretch and they already had great recruiting many years.

What else is going to flip the switch?