Williams & Blum Pod: Licking our wounds ... up next, Vegas

[Tornado man]

My fault for poor phrasing. Yes beating Iowa was important as it is a box to check that hadn’t been checked along with a few others for the senior class.

Whoa Brent - all I did was agree with you. Then the Mac-hating posse pounces. I didn't even mention him, but some here are obsessed. If they're ever in a coma, just whisper "Dan McCarney" in their ear and they'll come out of it quick.

Anyway, your exact phrase: "You feel for all those guys that elected to come back. And I know for a fact that beating Iowa was one of those reasons why. They wanted a special season."

My post: "At least Blum attested to the huge importance of this game - that one of the big reasons some players chose to come back for another year was to finally beat Iowa."

Where's the misrepresentation?

 

[brentblum]

Whoa Brent - all I did was agree with you. Then the Mac-hating posse pounces. I didn't even mention him, but some here are obsessed. If they're ever in a coma, just whisper "Dan McCarney" in their ear and they'll come out of it quick.

Anyway, your exact phrase: "You feel for all those guys that elected to come back. And I know for a fact that beating Iowa was one of those reasons why. They wanted a special season."

My post: "At least Blum attested to the huge importance of this game - that one of the big reasons some players chose to come back for another year was to finally beat Iowa."

Where's the misrepresentation?

I think the misrepresentation, if any, was ignoring the rest of the statement tacked on to the end of your post as if I said they only came back to beat Iowa. I meant it more in the context of the special opportunity of the entire season and beating Iowa was a means to that end. But certainly no big deal.

 

[cyclones500]

I disagree with the assessment (in the pod and other threads) that ISU marched down the field to score at end of first half ONLY because of increasing tempo. Iowa was in "play-safe" coverage — not completely "prevent," but closer to it than the general approach throughout the first half. ISU offense took advantage of it, picked up pace with good use of the clock. Combination of those aspects definitely helped. To suggest it was a complete scheme-change in tempo is overly simplified.

Edit: I'm not claiming CW & Blum made that a major point of the 'cast, just happened to hear the reference and realized it has been said frequently in past couple of days -- as in "why didn't we just do that (drive) from the beginning?"

 

[DeereClone]

We didn’t speed up the pace on the last drive, we were actually content just letting the clock run and going into the half. We snapped our first snap with :50 on the clock, it was a 4 yard pass to Breece. Then we snapped our second down play at :32 and Breece broke it open for 15+ yards. Then we threw to Allen who got out of bounds, then we had the deep pass play, then we were so slow to the line of scrimmage we actually had to call a TO to avoid a delay of game, then we ran the TD run.

There was no pace to that drive.

 

[norcalcy]

We didn’t speed up the pace on the last drive, we were actually content just letting the clock run and going into the half. We snapped our first snap with :50 on the clock, it was a 4 yard pass to Breece. Then we snapped our second down play at :32 and Breece broke it open for 15+ yards. Then we threw to Allen who got out of bounds, then we had the deep pass play, then we were so slow to the line of scrimmage we actually had to call a TO to avoid a delay of game, then we ran the TD run.

There was no pace to that drive.

The time out sequence was kind of funny. Even when we were rolling we were somewhat out of sync. However, that drive was one of the few enjoyable moments of Saturday's debacle.

 

[WhoISthis]

We didn’t speed up the pace on the last drive, we were actually content just letting the clock run and going into the half. We snapped our first snap with :50 on the clock, it was a 4 yard pass to Breece. Then we snapped our second down play at :32 and Breece broke it open for 15+ yards. Then we threw to Allen who got out of bounds, then we had the deep pass play, then we were so slow to the line of scrimmage we actually had to call a TO to avoid a delay of game, then we ran the TD run.

There was no pace to that drive.

Not a fun film session for Tom, I imagine.

 

[HouClone]

When Baylor was awesome about 8 years ago, Kansas State snapped the ball at 1 seconds on the play clock the entire first half. It worked. Baylor hardly had the ball. K State ended up turning the ball over and couldn't maintain. We are not talent deficient like K State was against Baylor We have got slower and slower though. We seem to snap the ball every time under 5 seconds. I venture it is too slow to keep any rhythm. We have been at our best offensively coming back routinely against teams at a fast pace. We don't have to do that but would like us to snap the ball at about 10 seconds left on the play clock.

 

[BCClone]

When Baylor was awesome about 8 years ago, Kansas State snapped the ball at 1 seconds on the play clock the entire first half. It worked. Baylor hardly had the ball. K State ended up turning the ball over and couldn't maintain. We are not talent deficient like K State was against Baylor We have got slower and slower though. We seem to snap the ball every time under 5 seconds. I venture it is too slow to keep any rhythm. We have been at our best offensively coming back routinely against teams at a fast pace. We don't have to do that but would like us to snap the ball at about 10 seconds left on the play clock.

Campbell has done it pretty much the whole time here. I remember it from
Toledo, he want to shorten the game.

 

[Cyclones1969]

GTFO with this, and if you're going to lie about what I said at least have the guts to reply directly.

I appreciate Chris and Brent's frankness. They were frustrated and critical but kept it constructive.

This stubborn streak is a side of Campbell that's wearing pretty thin.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Your the one complaining about the conference lol. I'll be an Iowa State fan if they go 0-12 every year. Good to know they have to beat Iowa for you to be an Iowa State fan. I've been told 10 times to push ignore with jsb, officially doing it this time

You’re

 

[cyclone1209]

Campbell has done it pretty much the whole time here. I remember it from
Toledo, he want to shorten the game.

As so many have alluded to, I think Brock just is better with a bit more of an uptempo pace. It obviously is harder for a defense to defend.

If our running game is not just rolling I think we need to defer to that way more. I hope we do. These guys get paid millions to make those adjustments and think that they will.

I'm also never a fan of the turtle pace when we are behind, show some urgency. Now if we have a lead on baylor or kstate or a team like that, sure - go to the slow pace where we play the time of possession/field position game.

I don't feel we were ever in a position to go slow once they had the lead, especially from the second quarter to the end.

 

[BCClone]

As so many have alluded to, I think Brock just is better with a bit more of an uptempo pace. It obviously is harder for a defense to defend.

If our running game is not just rolling I think we need to defer to that way more. I hope we do. These guys get paid millions to make those adjustments and think that they will.

I'm also never a fan of the turtle pace when we are behind, show some urgency. Now if we have a lead on baylor or kstate or a team like that, sure - go to the slow pace where we play the time of possession/field position game.

I don't feel we were ever in a position to go slow once they had the lead, especially from the second quarter to the end.

Not saying I like it, just that it is what Campbell seems to want. I know some coaches say it shows the defenses hand and they can’t really try to delay player movement at that point or hold a blitzer as much. Not sure if that is the reason.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Not saying I like it, just that it is what Campbell seems to want. I know some coaches say it shows the defenses hand and they can’t really try to delay player movement at that point or hold a blitzer as much. Not sure if that is the reason.

It just feels like scared to lose imo. I want them to be hungry and attacking, not whatever the hell Saturday was.

 

[cycloneworld]

Slightly off topic but something that I’ve noticed that’s REALLY annoyed me over the past couple of days. Ohio State loses as 14.5 pt favorites and the narrative is all “They’ll have plenty of time to recover and are still in the playoff race. Good for them for scheduling Oregon.”

Iowa State loses to Iowa and the narrative is “SEE I TOLD YOU IOWA STATE WAS FAKE AND NOT VERY GOOD”.

 

[Die4Cy]

Slightly off topic but something that I’ve noticed that’s REALLY annoyed me over the past couple of days. Ohio State loses as 14.5 pt favorites and the narrative is all “They’ll have plenty of time to recover and are still in the playoff race. Good for them for scheduling Oregon.”

Iowa State loses to Iowa and the narrative is “SEE I TOLD YOU IOWA STATE WAS FAKE AND NOT VERY GOOD”.

Such is life for football's version of the 1%.

People will doubt OSU moving forward as well, they just won't pay a media price for it.

 

[clonehoodie]

I'm not sure what up-tempo would do for the team.
Brock will still either throw the ball to X, throw the ball to Charlie, or hand the ball to Breece.

Besides, I'm not sure the O-Line could handle the pace, especially at the end of the first half on a 95 degree day. But, the O-line will do fine in Big 12 games.

The team was 1 play away from being down 27-3.

 

[Halincandenza]

I'm not sure what up-tempo would do for the team.
Brock will still either throw the ball to X, throw the ball to Charlie, or hand the ball to Breece.

Besides, I'm not sure the O-Line could handle the pace, especially at the end of the first half on a 95 degree day. But, the O-line will do fine in Big 12 games.

The team was 1 play away from being down 27-3.

Plus if you have a lot of quick 3 and out on a extremely hot day, your defense could get pretty worn down.

 

[Halincandenza]

Slightly off topic but something that I’ve noticed that’s REALLY annoyed me over the past couple of days. Ohio State loses as 14.5 pt favorites and the narrative is all “They’ll have plenty of time to recover and are still in the playoff race. Good for them for scheduling Oregon.”

Iowa State loses to Iowa and the narrative is “SEE I TOLD YOU IOWA STATE WAS FAKE AND NOT VERY GOOD”.

Well, that's just natural. Over and Over again OSU is in this position and has a crap load of talent. ISU is never in the playoff conversation historically so we are more likely to think the team that is always up there will get things figure out whereas people are more likely to think they just overestimated ISU's team. Although, I have to say I still see a lot of people saying ISU is still a really good team they just have to get things figure out on offense. So I don't think everyone is saying ISU was fake or not very good. That is probably very few people.

 

[madguy30]

Well, that's just natural. Over and Over again OSU is in this position and has a crap load of talent. ISU is never in the playoff conversation historically so we are more likely to think the team that is always up there will get things figure out whereas people are more likely to think they just overestimated ISU's team. Although, I have to say I still see a lot of people saying ISU is still a really good team they just have to get things figure out on offense. So I don't think everyone is saying ISU was fake or not very good. That is probably very few people.

You obviously didn't take the time to listen to Paul Finebaum taking a pause from choking himself over the SEC to talk about how he's done talking about Iowa State when he probably never talked about them to start with.

It was on Twitter and everything and nothing is ever wrong or attention seeking on Twitter.

 

[cayin]

Chris,

I thought this was a great podcast episode to make you think about this game, prior games and maybe into the future.

I get what Campbell is trying to accomplish vs. Iowa. Play their style snd mistake free football and don’t give up any turnovers that allows Iowa’s conservative offense free chances to score points. Iowa State has not mastered this plan over the years and this last game just proved what happens when Iowa is better at that type of game than you.

Before the game I was hoping Iowa State wouldn’t turn the ball over and give Iowa easy opportunities to score, which they couldn’t do and made life easy for a very average to poor offense. We try playing a style that the other coach is much better at than we are.

I also thought that Iowa State if they could get on Iowa early they might be able to force them to press a little more and make their quarterback have to make plays. This is why I thought CW podcast was good. I wonder if the Cyclones need to not play Iowa’s game but force them to play faster and make mistakes. Iowa feels comfortable playing the way we are currently playing them and don’t feel the need to take chances. They will gladly punt and and just play a field position game all day long.

The coaches are way smarter than me, but you have to make your opponent uncomfortable and think they need to play faster and create more confusion for them on defense while trying to force that offense out of its comfort zone and having to make plays to keep up.

I do think after this one, Campbell will reevaluate how he gameplans vs Iowa going forward, because when you are 0-5 something isn’t working and you know you need to make some changes.

the Minnesota team that went 11-2 a couple of years ago had to learn the hard way against Iowa. For 3 quarters they tried to slog it out with Iowa and it didn't go well at all. Finally Fleck said screw it and they went to an up-tempo game and started throwing the ball all over the field. Iowa had no answer and couldn't stop Minnesota in that 4rth Q. It was to little to late, but at least Fleck figured it out. I hope our staff doesn't not try to beat Iowa at it's own game next year.