KTAR in AZ report contract terms with Stoops

[ISUFan22]

That's one way to look at that game...another way would be to say that KU looked like a bunch or morons until they woke up at halftime.
Our talent is not up to par. We need a drawing card as coach to compete for the top midwest players, and the top Iowa players who all seem to go to IC. Stoops has that personality and background. The OU defense is still good, but not as good as when Mike Stoops was DC...

Based on? I saw that defense absolutely destroy Mizzu and Tech. Does it not look as good because of the stellar offenses in the conference this year - game after game?

Being a good defensive coordinator <> good head coach. We kinda witnessed that one first hand...

 

[JonDMiller]

I believe we have the offense to win, and a defense with holes all over it...I've been a Cyclone fan my whole life, and I'm not gonna pin my judgment on the next Cyclone football coach on how he does in his first season with Chizik and Mac's players, whether it's Stoops or whoever...and if people do decide to do that, it's their decision..but i'd very much question their sports iq and understanding of college athletics.

Like I said on my show today, there are several reasons I think this job is attractive. One of them is that it has security. No way, unless there is scandal or JP is no longer at ISU, that the next coach doesnt get at least five years to turn it around.

The first three years are rebuilding years, which includes the schedule factor. Years four and five have to be at least .500 years, but that is plenty of time.

 

[ISUFan22]

Like I said on my show today, there are several reasons I think this job is attractive. One of them is that it has security. No way, unless there is scandal or JP is no longer at ISU, that the next coach doesnt get at least five years to turn it around.

The first three years are rebuilding years, which includes the schedule factor. Years four and five have to be at least .500 years, but that is plenty of time.

I agree with this. But if the coach goes 2-10 next year or even a little better - fans are just simply not going to show up as they have been in 2010. This guy has to get very close to .500 in '09 - I really believe that.

ISU fans are loyal, but they're only going to buy hope for so long.

- '06 was supposed to be the year. It wasn't, led to D-Mac being "fired".
- Chizik was supposed to be the savior, was quickly the face of the program and to some extent - ISU athletics. New uniforms (some connect him to the new logo.
- Chizik failed and/or didn't stay long enough to live up to the hype

This is an absolutely, positively can't miss hire. For JP and for ISU. I do not see him risking that on a losing HC.

 

[superdorf]

I agree with this. But if the coach goes 2-10 next year or even a little better - fans are just simply not going to show up as they have been in 2010. This guy has to get very close to .500 in '09 - I really believe that.

ISU fans are loyal, but they're only going to buy hope for so long.

- '06 was supposed to be the year. It wasn't, led to D-Mac being "fired".
- Chizik was supposed to be the savior, was quickly the face of the program and to some extent - ISU athletics. New uniforms (some connect him to the new logo.
- Chizik failed and/or didn't stay long enough to live up to the hype

This is an absolutely, positively can't miss hire. For JP and for ISU. I do not see him risking that on a losing HC.

+1 you are right.

 

[JonDMiller]

I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that it takes a heck of a coach to put a team in that position, whether they come through or not isn't always up to the coach. A coach can't decide whether a kicker makes a 40 yarder to win a game or if the star player gets hurt. There's good luck and bad luck to go around for everyone. I'm just pointing out that you'd have to be a pretty decent coach to have those opportunities and look back on what happened and say "we were this close".

I tend to side with you. Was just having some fun.

When Iowa was 3-3 this year, I said and wrote that I felt it was possibly the third best Ferentz era team, because of how they dictated terms at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They were just getting killed in the turnover department with a young QB. They turned that around.

In looking at Arizona's stats this year, they were 27th in the nation in turnover margin. That's a pretty strong number. 16th in scoring offense. 34th in total offense, 20th in total defense.

They were probably a bounce or two away from having a real breakout year.

 

[ISUFan22]

They were probably a bounce or two away from having a real breakout year.

And at ISU, when there are game-deciding bounces, they almost always go against us.

We need a coach that can grab football games by the haunches and hump 'em into submission. :wink:

 

[Clone_12]

We can talk about "winning now" all we want to...it sounds good, and it "sells hope"...the bottomline is that the talent remaining from DMac and Chizik will be the decisive factor in whether or not we do...not our new first year head coach...how good of a hire our new coach was will be determined 3-5 years down the road...whether that is in front of 30,000 people, or 60,000 and a bowled-in endzone.

 

[Shinyhappyclone]

And at ISU, when there are game-deciding bounces, they almost always go against us.

We need a coach that can grab football games by the haunches and hump 'em into submission. :wink:

Ug. You just reminded me of Dmac trying to just BARELY beat people so he could be a "classy" coach and stay in the gentlemans' club. I mean, the guy was maneuvering for fieldgoals on 2nd down in the first quarter. It was unreal.
We need a ruthless coach. I know we are not going to be "hanging half hundred" on the big boys anytime soon, but the UNLV's should be getting smashed in the face from us, soon. How many games did we lose by DMac choosing to kick fieldgoals....or attempting it?
OK, sorry. Little vent after drink.

 

[superdorf]

And at ISU, when there are game-deciding bounces, they almost always go against us.

We need a coach that can grab football games by the haunches and hump 'em into submission. :wink:

This is a strange post... but I find myself agreeing with you again.

 

[Tornado man]

Based on? I saw that defense absolutely destroy Mizzu and Tech. Does it not look as good because of the stellar offenses in the conference this year - game after game?

Being a good defensive coordinator <> good head coach. We kinda witnessed that one first hand...

Stoops' last OU defense in 2003 gave up 15 points a game, and 260 yard per game in total offense. That's almost unheard-of. He then took the Arizona job. Pelini and then Venables have not approached those numbers since.
Defensive coordinators do as well as OC's as head coaches. Pelini, Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema, Barry Alvarez (remember him?), Nick Saban and Gary Barnett are all examples of DC's who went on to great success. I'm sure there are tons more...

 

[ISUFan22]

Stoops' last OU defense in 2003 gave up 15 points a game, and 260 yard per game in total offense. That's almost unheard-of. He then took the Arizona job. Pelini and then Venables have not approached those numbers since.
Defensive coordinators do as well as OC's as head coaches. Pelini, Bob Stoops, Bret Bielema, Barry Alvarez (remember him?), Nick Saban and Gary Barnett are all examples of DC's who went on to great success. I'm sure there are tons more...

We have not seen that type of output from Stoops as a head coach. Listing him in the same conversation as those coaches (at least at this point) is very, very premature.

IMO, he has better talent there than what D-Mac had in Ames. What happens when he comes here with similar talent but a much tougher schedule?

 

[ISUFan22]

This is a strange post... but I find myself agreeing with you again.

It's the way Patches O'Houlihan would do it...

 

[Clone_12]

Just two teams all year put up 30-plus on Arizona...USC scored just 17...I'd call that a pretty good defensive output by Stoops as a headcoach.

 

[Tornado man]

We have not seen that type of output from Stoops as a head coach. Listing him in the same conversation as those coaches (at least at this point) is very, very premature.

I will certainly agree with that - Stoops does not belong with that group - not yet anyway.
I was addressing your comment that DC's don't work out as HC's- look at Chizik. I think that's a myth.

 

[Bobber]

Like I said on my show today, there are several reasons I think this job is attractive. One of them is that it has security. No way, unless there is scandal or JP is no longer at ISU, that the next coach doesnt get at least five years to turn it around.

The first three years are rebuilding years, which includes the schedule factor. Years four and five have to be at least .500 years, but that is plenty of time.

Yeah Jon, but we're in year two of the rebuild, so the new guy only gets 3.

 

[ISUFan22]

I will certainly agree with that - Stoops does not belong with that group - not yet anyway.
I was addressing your comment that DC's don't work out as HC's- look at Chizik. I think that's a myth.

Whoa, do not put those words in my mouth. I said the last one didn't work out so well for us...never did I said DCs make bad HCs.

I mean, the guy I really want is a defensive guy - just with a much better track record as a HC.

 

[cybsball20]

I'll join him...:no:

I'll be right behind you...

I don't know whether Stoops is the guy or not, but why the hate thing with some of our fans. The guy was a coordinator on a national championship Oklahoma team he's lucky they had the talent that year because he was already on the hot seat of his brother having to make a tough decision, took over a down program at a basketball school a basketball school that has had a #1 ranking in football not too long ago and been to some pretty good bowl games in recent memory. and has them in a decent bowl game with BYU (I know it's his 5th year), and the Stoops name is huge in the Big 12 region, Iowa, and probably in Ohio. He's known as tough, intense and high energy, and would be highly motivated at ISU to compete with his brother, plus he's got Iowa ties (I think his wife is from Iowa). He is also know to be tough to get along with, with Alumni and booster organizations as well as other coaches within the athletic department, the guys is nuts!I think he had an OWI once (not sure about that) but what's not to like about the guy? I have alot of other stories I could get into besides the OWI[/quote]

I wonder if the guys that are hating on Stoops were ga ga over the Chiz hiring?

Chizik was THE HOT NAME at the time... If Stoops didnt beat ASU he would have likely been let go...

I would rather have a coach that went to Iowa and actually knows about the state, than some washed up defensive coordinator big shot from Florida who doesn't know where Iowa is on the map.

Thats funny, Strong coached at Southern Illinois and Notre Dame so I am pretty sure he knows where Iowa is...

He's went 3-8, 3-8, 6-6, 5-7, and 7-5...it's improvement at a school that isn't a football school Again, for a kid growing up in Florida, the PAC 10 schools that come to mind to me as being good were Washington, UCLA, and Arizona, that conference shifts more than the tectonic plates out there...very rarely are there quick fixes in college football, so I don't know why some of you are bagging on this guy's record so hard...would you rather have a coach that took over at a prominent school and went 11-2 in his first year, and slowly worked his way down to 6-6??? He would have an overall winning record.

Took over a downtrodden AU program and back in their first bowl in 10 years. Mentioned elsewhere only 18 points away from being 10-1. Took USC to the wire and a few other close ones. His recruiting classes make ours look even sillier. HC experience and training on someone else's dime...

Maybe he can't coach in a close game???

Agree. Mackovic left a mess down there, and Stoops righted the ship. He sure wouldn't be scared of our mess here, and would dive right in.
The Wildcats looked really good this year. Those skeptical of Stoops must have missed his game vs. USC.

Did you SEE that game against USC or just the score? That game wasn't as close as the score...

 

[Clone_12]

The game with USC was a 7point game...if you hold USC to 17points you are doing something right regardless of how it happens...maybe Stoops won't even be the guy...but a lot of people on here are acting like he went 3-8 in his last season and 7-5 in his first...this past year was the first season where it's been all of Stoops' players, and he went a "disappointing" 7-5...I wanna go 14-0 and win the national title next year, but there isn't a coach in the world that could make that happen..."winning now" happens when you have talent, and the talent, or lack of will be Chizik and DMac's players, not whoever we hire.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Good grief, Stoops takes over a bad program and steadily takes it to a couple of winning records and a bowl game, and people say he can't coach. Wasn't Arizona his first head coaching job? Sounds like a pretty good start to me and if he's our new coach he can use his experience at zona and his recruiting contacts throughout the Big 12 and Iowa to build a better program here. I'm truly amazed how anybody can say he's a bad coach. His resume shows he is clearly a good coach and his recruiting connections and midwestern roots make him an ideal candidate for ISU. Sure I'd take Patteron or Gill first, but I will also be very pumped if Stoops is our guy.

 

[gocubs2118]

So is the report using Marty or does it have its own sources? If its just using what Marty is saying I am not buying into it one bit.