Will PR recruit IA

[copenhagen]

cmhawks and Burns give it up. Your talking to a brick wall

The shining objects, purty stars crowd wont listen. Heck, look at Eik and all the bs over his recruiting. I also agree ISU fans are more sane about it then Iowa. Probobly because most ISU fans are from Iowa and the % of students from Iowa at ISU compared to Iowa is shocking. You are exactly right about Nebraska in the 80's and 90's, they had the best walk on program in nation then. It was amazing in such a tiny populated state and so spread out. Also look at Petey, one of the biggest bargains ever imo. A frickin walk on that gives his all and is doing pretty good this yr, yet look at all the smarmy, contemptous, snide comments made about him, its sickening.

 

[isufbcurt]

That's a really really good point.

I can name numerous players that Mac recruited from MN, a couple that quickly pop into my mind are Adam Runk and Erik Anderson

 

[ripvdub]

Re: cmhawks and Burns give it up. Your talking to a brick wall

The shining objects, purty stars crowd wont listen. Heck, look at Eik and all the bs over his recruiting. I also agree ISU fans are more sane about it then Iowa. Probobly because most ISU fans are from Iowa and the % of students from Iowa at ISU compared to Iowa is shocking. You are exactly right about Nebraska in the 80's and 90's, they had the best walk on program in nation then. It was amazing in such a tiny populated state and so spread out. Also look at Petey, one of the biggest bargains ever imo. A frickin walk on that gives his all and is doing pretty good this yr, yet look at all the smarmy, contemptous, snide comments made about him, its sickening.

The only comments ive seen regarding Petey are from last year. This year he is playing great and is our 3rd best/most important player. Last year he, like everyone else was sloppy and sporatic. He had looked like he didnt even deserve a walkon spot, but he was starting all year. I think Diante's improvement has taken a lot of pressure off of him and allows him to play his game.

 

[cybsball20]

Probably more important than giving out a bunch of scholarships to Iowa kids is to have more kids willing to turn down that scholarship to a school like UNI and NWMS and walk on at Iowa State and try to EARN that scholarship... How many of the in state players in the NFL were once walk ons? I think alot of in state kids are a little late developing as football players because they are spread pretty thin among alot of sports where as kids in Florida and Texas play all fall, then have spring practice and hit a heavy camp circuit in the summer...

 

[isufbcurt]

Probably more important than giving out a bunch of scholarships to Iowa kids is to have more kids willing to turn down that scholarship to a school like UNI and NWMS and walk on at Iowa State and try to EARN that scholarship... How many of the in state players in the NFL were once walk ons? I think alot of in state kids are a little late developing as football players because they are spread pretty thin among alot of sports where as kids in Florida and Texas play all fall, then have spring practice and hit a heavy camp circuit in the summer...

That is spot on, Iowa doesn't have the advantage of spring football like florida and texas do!!!

 

[cmhawks99]

Probably more important than giving out a bunch of scholarships to Iowa kids is to have more kids willing to turn down that scholarship to a school like UNI and NWMS and walk on at Iowa State and try to EARN that scholarship... How many of the in state players in the NFL were once walk ons? I think alot of in state kids are a little late developing as football players because they are spread pretty thin among alot of sports where as kids in Florida and Texas play all fall, then have spring practice and hit a heavy camp circuit in the summer...

This is another great point in my humble opinion. Good thread!

Chad

 

[dualthreat]

I agree CM. Many on this board are automatically unimpressed by a two star IA kid but get excited by a two star from FL. By the way without looking it up that 2000 Insght.com bowl team I seamed to remember many IA kids( most wins by an ISU team) on it.

 

[cmhawks99]

Iowa has had a lot of success recruiting these areas for LBs, DL and other "non-skill position players". We can head to FLa and Tex for true speed.

Although I understand and agree with your premise Iowa has really had the most success out of Florida and Iowa for Lbers and a little bit of every where for D-line with again Iowa the “stateâ€￾ being very important.

Along with that thought and more important as well at least in my opinion. The most important positions on a football field especially in college, but probably at all levels is QB, O-line and defense overall. Not necessarily in that order, but maybe. Iowa's talent has stayed fairly consistent on D, but of late (last couple years) our QB and O-line talent has been inconsistent at best and poor at worst. Not so surprisingly we have been very average and inconsistent as a team. Ironically enough that talent has been very highly rated for the most part.

The point being I'd take all the fast athletic Lbers, D-linemen and mean athletic O-linemen along with a very solid QB for all the "pure speed" Rbers and Wrs you could want. Fast aggressive defense’s that can cover from the back 7 and pressure the QB with 4 guys is way more important than speed at the “skillsâ€￾ IMO. The only caveat to that is I would indeed like to have quick fluid Cb's and Iowa has found those of late it seems in places like Connecticut, Omaha, Ohio, Texas and maybe even Iowa in the name of Jordan Bernstein.

If you look hard enough, have enough connections and are most importantly good at "seeing" what is there these kids are out there in all places.

Chad

 

[isufbcurt]

I agree CM. Many on this board are automatically unimpressed by a two star IA kid but get excited by a two star from FL. By the way without looking it up that 2000 Insght.com bowl team I seamed to remember many IA kids( most wins by an ISU team) on it.

Major Contributors from Iowa:
QB Sage Rosenfels
FB Joe Woodley
OL Ben Bruns
OL Marcel Howard
OL Andy Stensrud
OL Bill Marsau
WR Chris Anthony
DL Ryan Harklau
DL Kevin DeRonde
DB Dustin Avey

There were others that played very important roles on that team

 

[ajk4st8]

Iowa is really up and down year to year on the talent available. Some years I would hope to have 10 Iowa guys signed ... some 3.

Just find the best players, I think we would all agree with that.

 

[cmhawks99]

Iowa is really up and down year to year on the talent available. Some years I would hope to have 10 Iowa guys signed ... some 3.

Just find the best players, I think we would all agree with that.

Obviously this is the million dollar statement and I agree unabashedly. In fact I hope I wasn't coming off as being argumentative as that wasn't my goal most assuredly. In fact I am very hopeful of Iowa’s continued presence in Texas, Florida and New Jersey. In the last several years we have moved into Michigan and Ohio so that too is good and I'd think ISU would/should tap into Alabama in particular and the surrounding states if plausible.

It's just that I am proud to be from Iowa and proud to see those kids succeed even when they go to ISU. Taking that a step further, UNI too has plenty of kids that end up being good enough that they surely could have helped either "big" school so the talent is there. Though I do agree with your initial statement that from year to year it is a little fleeting. All the same 20 years ago the talent in Iowa was VERY spotty and likely not as athletic. What with the gains in coaching, weight training, and the global nature of sport I feel like the state of Iowa in particular is one of the states that have made the biggest gains "athletically". UNI has placed 6 kids in the NFL and I honestly haven' a clue if they are all from Iowa but it stands to reason some where and that there were others that would have certainly helped both our 2-deeps.

So in finality I just hate to see any of us short change our own. Several of these kids are showing to be highly athletic besides just being good f-ball players.

Sorry for the review just wanted to be sure my intent wasn't misunderstood and I agree that you have to go where the talent has mutual interest and ability both.

Chad

 

[Jonecy]

Is the title of this thread supposed to be sarcastic?

We're gonna be pullin' the best kids from the great state of Iowa with this guy - his dad certainly won't hurt matters either. :notworthy:

 

[Dolokaju]

Two Iowa kids that come to mind are Tyler Sash and Angerer.

Both that we desperately wanted btw

 

[Cyclone90]

The only caveat I'd offer is that back in the years when Nebraska was good and winning National Championships, I remember looking at their roster and being surprised at how many Nebraska kids played on that team. If they can field a team like that with a population that is half of Iowas, we sure should be able to do the same....

Probably more important than giving out a bunch of scholarships to Iowa kids is to have more kids willing to turn down that scholarship to a school like UNI and NWMS and walk on at Iowa State and try to EARN that scholarship... How many of the in state players in the NFL were once walk ons? I think alot of in state kids are a little late developing as football players because they are spread pretty thin among alot of sports where as kids in Florida and Texas play all fall, then have spring practice and hit a heavy camp circuit in the summer...

Bingo. Carstens, Danielson, Whitver were all walk-ons I believe. And now Jesse Smith. Placing more emphasis on Iowa kids will improve the walk on program. Now if the percentages of scholarship Iowa kids gets too high, you're in trouble but having some foundation is a necessity to get the diamonds in the rough.

Look what happened to Nebraska when Calhoun torpedoed the walk on program. Does anybody know how walk on friendly Chizik was, or Rhoads will be?

 

[cmhawks99]

Bingo. Carstens, Danielson, Whitver were all walk-ons I believe. And now Jesse Smith. Placing more emphasis on Iowa kids will improve the walk on program. Now if the percentages of scholarship Iowa kids gets too high, you're in trouble but having some foundation is a necessity to get the diamonds in the rough.

Look what happened to Nebraska when Calhoun torpedoed the walk on program. Does anybody know how walk on friendly Chizik was, or Rhoads will be?

What a buffoon Callahan was. Who in their right mind would thumb his nose at such a valuable, proven commodity. Iowa also has always had an outstanding walk-on program, capable even of bringing in Illinois kids as walk-ons with one, Considine I believe playing safety for the Eagles even now.

Walk-ons to me are just as important a part of recruiting as any other.

Chad

 

[isufbcurt]

Walk-ons to me are just as important a part of recruiting as any other.

I have a special place in my heart for them too!!! :wink:

 

[tazclone]

Obviously chiz ick wasnt interested in Ia hs players.

Not sure that you can really say that. chizik went after Iowa players that deserved schollies. Barrent, Hoch, Lichtenberg, Boffeli, Wegher, Lenz, etc. He even went after Bernstine but then backed off when the legal issues arose. Others like Davis/Sash were hawks from the get go.

I never understand why people say the coaches HAVE to recruit Iowa. Recruit players that will make ISU better if there are some in Iowa ...great get them. if they are not D1 material then don't give them a scholly just because they are from iowa.

 

[isufbcurt]

Not sure that you can really say that. chizik went after Iowa players that deserved schollies. Barrent, Hoch, Lichtenberg, Boffeli, Wegher, Lenz, etc. He even went after Bernstine but then backed off when the legal issues arose. Others like Davis/Sash were hawks from the get go.

I never understand why people say the coaches HAVE to recruit Iowa. Recruit players that will make ISU better if there are some in Iowa ...great get them. if they are not D1 material then don't give them a scholly just because they are from iowa.

The word recruit doesn't always mean "to give someone a scholarship, you can recruit them to walk on, ala Lane Danielson, Jordan Carstens, Jack Whitver and even myself". So yes recruiting Iowa is important, even if the kids may not be scholarship material its still good to invite them as walk ons.

 

[CarolinaCy]

What a buffoon Callahan was. Who in their right mind would thumb his nose at such a valuable, proven commodity. Iowa also has always had an outstanding walk-on program, capable even of bringing in Illinois kids as walk-ons with one, Considine I believe playing safety for the Eagles even now.

Walk-ons to me are just as important a part of recruiting as any other.

Chad

You have to understand just how unbelievably arrogant Callahan was. I'm sure he thought that he didn't need a walk-on program because he would be pulling in dozens of 4 and 5-star players every year.

 

[cybsball20]

The word recruit doesn't always mean "to give someone a scholarship, you can recruit them to walk on, ala Lane Danielson, Jordan Carstens, Jack Whitver and even myself". So yes recruiting Iowa is important, even if the kids may not be scholarship material its still good to invite them as walk ons.

Unfortunately, with the strength of some smaller school programs around here, it's gotta be hard for a kid to durn down a free (or almost free) education these days...