All FB coaching rumors and speculation
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I have always liked Switzer, and how cool is it that he gets it and is willing to be honest about the situation?
have no idea how well venebles will do
my gut tells me he wins 8/9 games a year, ou fires him, and their program blows up i.e. a frank solich situation
my gut tells me he wins 8/9 games a year, ou fires him, and their program blows up i.e. a frank solich situation
If OU kills it in the SEC then LSU and A&M and Arkansas fans will be miserable, and OU fans will be mad they keep losing to Alabama. They will eventually get disenchanted with playing the new schedule, and get sick of the same games vs Misery, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and then they will realize that outside the SE no one cares about SEC football. The college football elite will never realize that there is a better way until they are shown the way.
Its kind of like the ISU Iowa game, no one outside of those 2 fanbases care who wins, people in the state of Kentucky dont care who wins, its just like whatever, does anyone care in the state of Iowa who won the Apple Cup this year? I couldnt even tell u who won.
It will be the same for OU, no one cares. And thats why running from rivalaries is just a cop out.
It's about return on investment. For a private school, having a known football program can be important to the school itself.
And in the end, profits are profits and this is a private school. It doesn't matter where they came from and what the pandemic situation is. Assuming those profits would have gone to the general school fund anyways, does that matter?
Exactly. Donna Shalala when President at the U and UW was one of the first to understand that football is the front porch of the university. Get it right and all else will follow.
Before she and Alvarez at UW, if a Wisconsin high student finished upper half of class, they were guaranteed admittance at UW. After a few Rose bowls, better be 3.9 GPA and 33 ACT and say your prayers.
In addition to The U and UW Madison, consider KState. Bill Snyder saved a football team, university, and municipality not ounce, but twice.
I love football. But, if the future is university medical centers taking their enormous profits and instead of lowering overpriced health care costs or funding cutting edge research or paying nurses better wages, they are going to instead dump it into coaches salaries and paying another coach not to work, then I might be out. That is some really jacked up interpretation of capitalism. And if that is the route we are going, then end the tax exempt charade now.
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You are completely overstating the impact on athletics on a university. If you look at enrollment over the course of the last 20-30 years you can't correlate growth to football success across the nation.
I have no doubt that athletic success creates interest in a school, but the impact is dramatically overstated by college sports fans. At big universities athletics revenue is somewhere between 0-5% of a university's total operating revenue, most on the lower end of that. Research absolutely dwarfs athletics in revenues at all universities. And athletics has zero impact on research dollars that come in.
People find cases trying to tie football success to a boost in enrollment, but when you look at this in the macro across the country it simply doesn't hold true. At best you can say in some specific schools it may have been the case, but most likely it's a case of correlation without causation.
There's a lot of misconceptions among college sports fans, and the complete overweighing of their impact on the university as a whole is one of them. The second being that conference affiliation brings in research dollars. It does not. I heard CW on the radio talking about Nebraska leaving the Big 10 would cost them billions in research dollars. That is 100% false. I'm sure this is due to this Big 10 research alliance thing, which if you actually read their reports, they have a tiny impact on a university financially. They put a number on their like $X Billions in research by member institutions. They don't provide any of this funding, no funding flows through the conference in any way, shape or form. They are simply stating, "here are our member institutions. Our member institutions got a total of $X billions in research between them." Read what they claim they have actually provided the universities in services and savings, and it comes out to about $1 million per year per university, and a lot of it is pretty hand-wavy stuff.
Forgive me, I’m agnostic on the research angle. I’m interested in enrollment and commercial development.
Now I agree here that you hit the major impact of college sports, and that is commercial development in some communities - and Ames and Manhattan would be good examples, where the university is a massive part of the town, and sporting events are the biggest draw for visitors.
Enrollment - like I said, I think it does have some impact, but enrollment numbers vs. football success suggests at most it's moderate and localized, but most likely just a fact that college football spending (or "investment") shot up during a time of increased enrollment overall. You just can't see broad correlations across the country to make a case that football success has a significant impact on enrollment.
So I would say that football success actually has limited impact on the university, but can have a big impact in the city in which the university is located, particularly in the prototypical "college towns" like Ames, Manhattan etc.
Ask yourself where that money came from and who allowed it to work like that.
While I agree a school should invest in football with their general funds (And last century nearly any school that has a known/respected brand invested in athletics), it is not about ROI, it is about whether that profit was earned by Miami imo.
How much of the profits came from the government pumping billions into the healthcare industry during the pandemic? People generally don't like it when public funds lead to private profits. Some would say healthcare profits in this case should be pumped back into healthcare, given the exploitive potential otherwise. It is like the utilities fleecing their ratepayers and lobbying for huge tax breaks, then giving the executives huge bonuses for the record profits. The public burdened that cost.
Miami is on the cusp of becoming second-tier, if they are not already there. Well worth it for the school to invest in marketing itself via successful football. It is particularly important for smaller, private schools that can't rely on being the default.
Switzer earlier in the thread tells how OU sued to essentially get TV money. That opened the floodgates.
I'm saying that situation has little to do with free markets.
That’s why I said, “ That is some really jacked up interpretation of capitalism.”
