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I think there's basically one player who's comfortable with the ball in their hands, and that's combining half-Hunter and half-Brockington right now. I hate to say it was overlooked putting the team together, as it wasn't an easy task, but my goodness basically everyone isn't comfortable with the ball actually in their hands. I think Brockington isn't necessarily bad with it, he just favors one side a lot, and think Hunter will get there. But it's very hard to watch sometimes.

I think Tre is ok handling the ball too. I kept wondering when K-State left Grill all alone in the corner waiting for another brick why he didn’t drive a bit and try an easier shot or pass off if they pick him up, but I think lack of confidence in that area limits his options greatly.
 
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I think Tre is ok handling the ball too. I kept wondering when K-State left Grill all alone in the corner waiting for another brick why he didn’t drive a bit and try an easier shot or pass off if they pick him up, but I think lack of confidence in that area limits his options greatly.
It's crazy how much better Grill seems to shoot on the road (I'd like to see the stats on this). Today was just bad. His 3s weren't even close and he had lots of good looks.
 

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The game today was literally lost by giving them easy buckets off a telegraphed initial pass setting up the offense. That happened at least 5 times in the 2nd half.

That s*** drives me crazy. Bunch of lazy-ass ****. Especially when you can tell the defender anticipates it and obviously opposing coach has scouted it and it's not simply an accident. It has become more and more frequent.

Coach preaches intensity on defense, doesn't demand sharpness on offense.
 

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Don't get my post wrong, I really like Rob's effort and by all accounts he seems to be a good kid. But I'll be pretty concerned if Rob Jones is playing more than a couple spot minutes next year... I basically don't wanna hear about lack of talent in the post when Iowa State accepts a commitment from a non-difference-maker from a very low major program almost immediately into transfer season.
Yet we only have 10 scholarship players.. can't believe we took him
 
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It was a BS answer, just like his answer about why Enaruna isn't playing in the Stanz article.

The correct answer would have been "In the first half we got out and ran, were able to score before the defense got set. In the second half they adjusted, started over playing our sets but we didn't make the correct adjustments and that's on me as a coach. They guys played hard and it's up to me to get them in the correct position to succeed."

Similar to what Campbell says after football games.
Still straight up coach speak either way. If it makes you feel better... that's fine. Fact of the matter is that had we not turned the ball over four times in a row on such lazy live ball runouts, we win the game in regulation. Urgency and effort. He's not wrong.
 
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TJ continuing to run action through Conditt 25-30 feet away from the basket is embarrassing. It doesn’t work. There has to be something else a college coaching staff can dream up to get some points. For example, whatever we did to score 40 in the first half.

We have had 6 different guys score more than 20 points this year. While far from an offensive juggernaut, you can’t tell me it’s purely a talent problem.
We did exactly that to score 40 in the first half. Problem is that we started to throw it to the other team in the second.
 
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Still straight up coach speak either way. If it makes you feel better... that's fine. Fact of the matter is that had we not turned the ball over four times in a row on such lazy live ball runouts, we win the game in regulation. Urgency and effort. He's not wrong.

The term 'details' comes to mind when it comes to the passing up top that keeps getting picked off. They look more concerned with sharing the ball quickly than being smart with the ball.
 

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The term 'details' comes to mind when it comes to the passing up top that keeps getting picked off. They look more concerned with sharing the ball quickly than being smart with the ball.
I agree. But when the passer sees that the pass isn't there the ball sticks... I'd rather the ball stick than giving the other team a free runout.

We are what we are.

Our bigs can't make a shot under the rim. People on here want us to throw it in there more. Our guards who play down hill and go to the rim can't finish. People want us to do that more. We run plays to get WIDE OPEN threes that work... other than the fact that we can't make the shot.... people don't want that either. Bench this guy or that guy... NONE OF THEM CAN MAKE A FREAKING SHOT!!!! Consistently...

But we have to make "adjustments". My favorite "adjustment" I've seen on here is that TJ needs to make is run more plays for layups... put the guys in better position to score, etc. Well... we can't make short shots, even when open, we can't make long shots, even when open... I don't know what to tell people. Yes. Run more plays for layups. Well yea... Duh.

I'm frustrated just like everybody else. I don't have an answer other than to get players that can shoot.

Change out Matt Thomas for CG or GK in this same offense. I'd be willing to bet it would work a whole lot better.
 
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I think he got good looks cause KSU wanted him to shoot

i would like to think their coaches didn’t specifically tell their guys just to leave grill open from three….Even after last night he’s at 36% from beyond the arc this year which is still good for 13th in the conference. You don’t just let players like that shoot open shots like he had (especially when there really isn’t much else you have to focus on on defense)
 

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When we played fast and pushed the tempo we jumped out to a lead, and we were driving and kicking. Then we went back to the same ****** offensive sets and settling for dumb shots. That's all coaching.

TJ then threw the guys under the bus on his post game interview with Walter's and Heft saying they "need to play more urgent and show effort and he's only going to play the guys who show effort and urgency".

Well TJ I don't see you showing any urgency standing on the sidelines, armed crossed, biting on your finger while the refs make horrible calls right in front of you. You want the team to show effort then you show effort fighting for your team with the refs.

George even said on post-game that his teammates were not hustling into secondary offense in 2nd half.
 

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George even said on post-game that his teammates were not hustling into secondary offense in 2nd half.

it’d be nIce to hear a recording of the presser. I’m of the opinion that if TJ didn’t specifically call someone out for a poor job or not hustling than it’s ok. I don’t see anything wrong with it. If he went on the air and said something along the lines of TE wasn’t hustling so I sat him that game. Then I’d have an issue there but I doubt that was the case. Also, if the guys can’t get the message that they need to hustle more and take it without their panties getting in a bunch why would we want them to play?
 
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Probably my biggest hang up in being smart with the ball. They get frantic and impatient. But maybe they really just can't handle all that well.
I agree with this. It seems like we have our passes programmed as we rotate the ball side to side. The opponents now know what is coming, and simply “jump the route,”
If I recall we had 3 or 4 of these type of turnovers yesterday. They lead to the other teams transition buckets. Frustrating to watch . Seems like we throw it whether the guy is open or not.
 
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it’d be nIce to hear a recording of the presser. I’m of the opinion that if TJ didn’t specifically call someone out for a poor job or not hustling than it’s ok. I don’t see anything wrong with it. If he went on the air and said something along the lines of TE wasn’t hustling so I sat him that game. Then I’d have an issue there but I doubt that was the case. Also, if the guys can’t get the message that they need to hustle more and take it without their panties getting in a bunch why would we want them to play?

Because effort has been the problem with this team so far?

They have given everything they had, almost the whole time. Problem is this group is limited and has worn down.
 
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I agree with this. It seems like we have our passes programmed as we rotate the ball side to side. The opponents now know what is coming, and simply “jump the route,”
If I recall we had 3 or 4 of these type of turnovers yesterday. They lead to the other teams transition buckets. Frustrating to watch . Seems like we throw it whether the guy is open or not.

We run a middle school offense. Very little action, completely dependent on individual talent.
 

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This. Love Brockington, and the guy is why we have had any offense at times. You do make a great point though. He refuses to go right. I've been paying more attention to the defense played on him in man to man, and it's insane some guys are playing perpendicular on his left side and sometime borderline behind is left hip giving him a free lane to the right because they know he won't take it. And they are right, he won't do it.

I’m pretty sure he went right for his first (?) big dunk of the night, the one in the baseline. I think this take is a little bit over blown. He is weak going right, but he can. That is a coaching thing to me as well. Should have been an emphasis in practice and individual drills since his first day in practice.
 
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it’d be nIce to hear a recording of the presser. I’m of the opinion that if TJ didn’t specifically call someone out for a poor job or not hustling than it’s ok. I don’t see anything wrong with it. If he went on the air and said something along the lines of TE wasn’t hustling so I sat him that game. Then I’d have an issue there but I doubt that was the case. Also, if the guys can’t get the message that they need to hustle more and take it without their panties getting in a bunch why would we want them to play?

TJ did not single anyone out on post-game. Said K-state wanted it more as they were more physical team (mentioned the free throw disparity as demonstrating this point). Did talk about how they were trying to teach players to question themselves and ask yourself how hard you are working, not just on game day, if you are unhappy with minutes.
 

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The game today was literally lost by giving them easy buckets off a telegraphed initial pass setting up the offense. That happened at least 5 times in the 2nd half.

That, and our second best % 3 pt shooter going 0/9.

As far as all the 'adjustment' critique goes, my only after the fact comment would be- play IZB even with his fouth foul, sit Caleb after his fifth missed 3, and play Jaz the entire OT.