Sad thing about the portal & NIL

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That's exactly my point. These aren't children. If they **** it up, and blow all of their NIL money, well... that sucks. Nobody to blame but themselves.
This is true, but I think it will affect programs, because donors will see donated money wasted, if the public sees waste or unwarranted usage. The implication will be he/she used my donation money to do that..........
 
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Giving kids money like this in college will lead to a lot more kids who had professional capabilities flaming out in college. They will now have all this money and no one to guide them. No sports agent will be around to give them advice. They will get lazy and waste their opportunities. It will also attract low life people hanging around them bleeding them dry for wine, women and song. This is impending disaster. Many of these kids will end up with no money and no college degree. That's a shame!
The above is littered with assumptions, many of which are rooted in stereotyping. How is NIL different from getting a bad agent, bad advice, and also having extended family members asking for money from a pro contract? Athletes previously had been sending leftover per diem home and then when they got cost of living payments that was headed home too for some.

Even before NIL, some of our own hoops players had a small network who hung around them or even lived in the apartment with them.

At least in college, they will have coaches and academic advisors helping guide them and eventually schools with reputations for doing better at guiding and helping athletes keep/grow their wealth will be as well received as an agent with a good rep.

If anything, NIL will keep kids in college longer enabling more degrees, more shelter from those seeking handouts, and more maturing to avoid poor decisions. Based on rumors, kids are making way more as a D1 starter than they would as a G-Leaguer. So, they are going to be sticking around NCAA longer in the interim
 

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Giving kids money like this in college will lead to a lot more kids who had professional capabilities flaming out in college. They will now have all this money and no one to guide them. No sports agent will be around to give them advice. They will get lazy and waste their opportunities. It will also attract low life people hanging around them bleeding them dry for wine, women and song. This is impending disaster. Many of these kids will end up with no money and no college degree. That's a shame!

I think this is incredibly wrong. Most of these guys are working hard and are hyper competitive. If this was the case, once a guy gets his first paycheck from the NFL or NBA they'd stop working and do all of these things. They are competitors so they continue to work, get better, and all of that stuff.
 

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I see that brand new F150 you drove to work today and I'm not sure that was a sound financial decision for you so I'm going to chose to withhold your paycheck for your own good.
Gosh, this actually happens. My mom's boss questioned my dad about whether she needed a new truck after they had bought it. That lady became my mom's ex-boss two weeks later. Mom chose to go full-time at her other part-time job.
 

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And you can't fault the kids for taking the money. It's hard to make a reasonable argument against Tyrese doing what he's doing. (Understanding he doesn't have parents...sadly) I told her that if she were in a similar situation in college, her mom for sure would have sat her down and told her to take the money.

People like focusing on Tyrese and his family situation because that is an excellent case for why it makes good sense for him.

What people don't like thinking about is if there is a guy who came from an affluent household and he's offered 200k to play basketball at school X and 500k to play basketball at college Y it's STILL a better choice to transfer or play at college Y. It's honestly still a no brainer.
 

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How do you think this kid will do in college with this deal? Given his family lineage, I bet not well. This just fuels his demise. Why should he have gotten NIL money over some other more worthy kid?
Diet Cokes and smoking heaters non-stop, just like pops. Plus plenty of southern fired anything and look what happens.
 

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This isn't new legal territory. Labor laws still apply in the same way that they would if anyone else signed a contract to represent a company.

I didn't think the Hedge Fund Bro who pays Jesus Shuttlesworth $500,000 to attend Pretension & Avarice College (and go Vultures!) was somehow "employing" them, were they?

Aren't they just paying for their "marketing services" contingent upon attending P&A?
 

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When you see primarily the same 8 teams in the elite 8 every year, you'll realize it is all about money and power for certain programs. NIL's play right into that. Tampering, which I'm sure occurred with Hunter, will be the norm and there will be no repercussions for the blue bloods. The NCAA will make a statement with tampering charges against a no name program such as an Iowa State to show you they are doing something. That's why the blue bloods didn't even get their hand slapped on the last shoe deal fiasco. The NCAA looked the other way because of the names and programs involved. Rules are rules unless you're somebody..........
 

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A really good rule would be:
no NIL for 12 months after transferring; because there is obvious tampering going on. If they want playing time on another team , OK, I get that.

Ok I'm sure there's no way around that - "Come to my school and after the 12 month no NIL Period ends I'll still give you the $XX plus some to make up for no $ for 12 months".

LOL there'd be absolutely no way to enforce that.
 
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Jared and Chris touched on this in their latest podcast but I think NIL money will come back down to earth in 3-5 years. Most big boosters are businesspeople. My guess is after a couple times of paying a kid good money only to have him/her not perform, get arrested, etc. and they will go back to donating to the overall athletics dept.

I also think there will be some blue blood programs that will suffer due to their kids losing focus or being resentful of teammates. (Yes I'm looking at you Tejas.) In the mean time NIL will continue to have a negative impact on college athletics IMO.

Most rich boosters are driven by ego. They want to be able to brag that they brought so and so in. I see rich businessmen dropping $500k plus in my racing world to buy the best equipment money can buy but they aren't winning enough races to cover that or getting customers to their business. They just like to say "see that shiny equipment over there, yeah I paid for that!" and think that makes them important. College boosters are no different, they just need their ego stroked and made to feel like they are the big dawg.
 

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People like focusing on Tyrese and his family situation because that is an excellent case for why it makes good sense for him.

What people don't like thinking about is if there is a guy who came from an affluent household and he's offered 200k to play basketball at school X and 500k to play basketball at college Y it's STILL a better choice to transfer or play at college Y. It's honestly still a no brainer.

Any family that doesn’t have several million put aside can go bankrupt from an illness or injury pretty easily.

Turning down 500k for one year because of a brand preference is reckless for even upper middle class.
 

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You are off your rocker. Just put "Kids" in bubble wrap their whole life or what?
NIL and transfer portal is going to be the end of the ncaa. Kids now have no commitment to who they sign with or anything in life and these rules just enable that. Every sport there is a problem with a player actually wanting to start and end their careers at the same place. There’s not too many niangs or monte Morris’ anymore. This is set up for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to find the talent and groom them into a player really nice only to give them to a blue blood who does no work and reaps the rewards.
 

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NIL and transfer portal is going to be the end of the ncaa. Kids now have no commitment to who they sign with or anything in life and these rules just enable that. Every sport there is a problem with a player actually wanting to start and end their careers at the same place. There’s not too many niangs or monte Morris’ anymore. This is set up for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to find the talent and groom them into a player really nice only to give them to a blue blood who does no work and reaps the rewards.

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Was just going to post something similar.

I find that anyone who uses the phrase "Kids these days..." (or some variant thereof) while trying to make a point, can be safely ignored.

That said, he's correct about the fact that NIL is going to be the end of the NCAA. I would add "as we know it", though.

Because College Sports will continue. NIL won't kill it. But, the system that needed a drastic change, certainly got one, and it's definitely going to have ramifications as schools adjust. Some will flourish. Others will falter. I hope Iowa State flourishes.
 

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Was just going to post something similar.

I find that anyone who uses the phrase "Kids these days..." (or some variant thereof) while trying to make a point, can be safely ignored.
Your ignorance here shows. Having employed "kids" thirty years ago versus now gives me the right to call BS. If you say a word of correction they don't like or look at them wrong,, out the door they go. They get coddled everywhere they go. Maybe you're one of them "kids"?
 

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