Officiating at the end of the Iowa game

[cyrocksmypants]

i agree its got to be his helmet- but by how much, ya know?

it can't be THAT much but probably in the neutral zone.

which as a DE why the hell aren't you looking inside first lol

So this is strictly an observational assumption and nothing I have factual knowledge of, but with the early encroachment and then the penalty where they were simulating a snap, paired with how far off the ball they seemed to be playing, my guess is there was some kind of conversation with the coaches by the refs about line play.

Also remember an offsides is like a touchdown. The tip of the ball just has to touch for it to be offsides.

 

[theshadow]

While we're at it, Treiber's pre-snap movement on his false start was less than what most of Iowa's OL was doing pretty much all day.

 

[JM4CY]

So this is strictly an observational assumption and nothing I have factual knowledge of, but with the early encroachment and then the penalty where they were simulating a snap, paired with how far off the ball they seemed to be playing, my guess is there was some kind of conversation with the coaches by the refs about line play.

Also remember an offsides is like a touchdown. The tip of the ball just has to touch for it to be offsides.

So basically, just the tip.

 

[BCClone]

So basically, just the tip.

For some of us, the tip can be too much.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

So basically, just the tip.

sometimes even just the tip is enough to get you into a world of trouble.

 

[CyNews]

Agreed.

 

[JM4CY]

sometimes even just the tip is enough to get you into a world of trouble.

Oh, well aware.

 

[3TrueFans]

This makes sense if you don’t know that the blue line doesn’t mean anything.

 

[Cyrocks]

This makes sense if you don’t know that the blue line doesn’t mean anything.

Had that been the only call in that sequence, I could have cared less. Offsides? Big deal. Iowa was running out of time and no way were they going to move into field goal range and get an attempt in before time ran out.

The 15-yard sideline call was the puzzling one.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Had that been the only call in that sequence, I could have cared less. Offsides? Big deal. Iowa was running out of time and no way were they going to move into field goal range and get an attempt in before time ran out.

The 15-yard sideline call was the puzzling one.

Although it should have been offsides/holding offsetting penalties (with no flag for the sideline thing at all) since the Cyclone rusher got straight-up mugged by his blocker in the backfield.

 

[clonehome]

The sideline foul was the only thing that stood out as a bad call--but it was one of those typical "JFC why does this keep happening to ISU" calls so it REALLY stood out. It should have been a warning plain and simple.

The shove out of bounds was questionable but on that field I don't mind it being called. There may have been a point of emphasis on that to the teams which we don't know about.

Honestly we got lucky that the Iowa goal line fumble was ruled a fumble, because whichever way it was ruled, it was not going to get overturned.

All in all I'd say we should definitely not complain and kind of came out on top here regarding calls.

The thing we don’t know about the personal foul on the sideline is when the ref blew the whistle. It’s possible that the ref already blew the whistle because the first guy was ushering Dekkers out of bounds. If so then it’s probably a good call. I don’t think that’s one that anyone can fairly comment on.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

This makes sense if you don’t know that the blue line doesn’t mean anything.

Correct. But also, he’s over the blue line as well.

 

[HFCS]

You said this so much that when I re-watched the game Sunday night, I was specifically looking for it and you’re just flat out wrong. MAYBE if you’re looking at the blue line and not the ball itself? But there was not egregious offsides all game long. In fact I would even argue overall that people were playing further off the ball than I’m even typically used to seeing in games. And we were 100% offsides on that play. It’s even obvious on the angle, and I’ve no doubt it was obvious to the ref directly down the line because that flag immediately came out when the ball was snapped.

Maybe agree to disagree, I do 3D sculpting as big part of my job and we don't look any more in the neutral zone on that play than something like a third of all plays I see in all football over my life.

Not saying I think all those should be flagged (none of the close ones should be because it's a judgement call even for someone who works in 3D spacial reasoning as a profession), just that it was ludicrous to flag something like that when he obviously was not way over if at all on last play of the game.

 

[HFCS]

It’s the helmet that’s offside, not the hand like he claims in the video. Also, do people just not understand how viewpoint angles work?

I was about to leave the conversation but you then you insulted plenty of engineers and people like myself who deal in this stuff most of our working hours. He is NOT offsides by much, if he is we are talking millimeters. My best analysis is he's not offsides at all and only looks like it because our other lineman were playing 2-3 feet off the line.

There's no way around that it was a BS call that was completely ridiculous at that time of the game. Since we need to go 3D spacial analysis hopefully this at least proves to you that it was incredibly close. It probably proves benefit of the doubt is not in neutral zone.

 

[HFCS]

It’s the helmet that’s offside, not the hand like he claims in the video. Also, do people just not understand how viewpoint angles work?

Get in a 3 point stance and put your head 6 inches past your lead hand.

Since I like you, I'd advise you to do it on some very soft carpet and not in the driveway.

Now after you've almost fallen over, try to get in a three point stance where you feel you have balance and athletic power. Notice your hand is now a few inches past your head. Then look at the vertical line on the diagram that was just posted and see every player in a stance has their hand in front of their helmet.

 

[BCClone]

I was about to leave the conversation but you then you insulted plenty of engineers and people like myself who deal in this stuff most of our working hours. He is NOT offsides by much, if he is we are talking millimeters. My best analysis is he's not offsides at all and only looks like it because our other lineman were playing 2-3 feet off the line.

There's no way around that it was a BS call that was completely ridiculous at that time of the game. Since we need to go 3D spacial analysis hopefully this at least proves to you that it was incredibly close. It probably proves benefit of the doubt is not in neutral zone.

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I was in the camp that it was questionable. With this picture, he is 100% off sides. Does it get called a lot, no; but he is still offsides

 

[HFCS]

I was in the camp that it was questionable. With this picture, he is 100% off sides. Does it get called a lot, no; but he is still offsides

You realize the vertical line is all that matters if we're looking at his helmet right?

His hand is behind the line where the ball is by probalby 2-3 inches, his head is actually behind his hand.

Everybody get in a three point stance with your head 6 inches past your hand and tell me that's the position you'd coach our linemen to be in.

If that doesn't even tell you it's really close I'm not sure you can understand.

 

[qwerty]

There is video available.

Yep, his foot was on OOB line when contact first made and clearly fully OOB when pushed completed.

 

[BCClone]

You realize the vertical line is all that matters if we're looking at his helmet right?

His hand is behind the line where the ball is by probalby 2-3 inches, his head is actually behind his hand.

Everybody get in a three point stance with your head 6 inches past your hand and tell me that's the position you'd coach our linemen to be in.

If that doesn't even tell you it's really close I'm not sure you can understand.

I can tell you how the ISU Dlinemen are coached. My son went to their camps. They are coached like that and 9 times out of 10, your head is in front of your hand in a 3 point stance. How ISU coaches lineman is to have their butt higher than MJ has it but the head is significantly in front t.

 

[HFCS]

I can tell you how the ISU Dlinemen are coached. My son went to their camps. They are coached like that and 9 times out of 10, your head is in front of your hand in a 3 point stance. How ISU coaches lineman is to have their butt higher than MJ has it but the head is significantly in front t.

In the photo the 3 d lineman all have their helmet even or behind their lead hand. Not one of them has their helmet past their hand. Definitely not the one flagged.

The big point is something like this happens a ton. It's too close and that's why it's not called.