Thread to share videos of the Baylor game fix

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You mean the same guy who was shown being held at the same time?

We can do this all day

I agree flags could be thrown on every play. That sounds awesome.

 

[CoachHines3]

I don’t think the game was fixed. There’s probably a 99% chance it wasn’t and I think we’re all just emotional because of the horrible calls and the fact we lost.. But if you think there isn’t bias in referees or even full blown fixing in sports, watch the Netflix special about Tim Donaghy (the ref who went to prison for fixing games).

It opened my eyes to the very fact that it does happen. Now, I’m not a full blown conspiracy theorist that everything is fixed and it’s not all real, but referees do in fact have the power to determine what happens in a game.

I think more than anything, in this case, they got way ahead of themselves with those calls against us and realized they needed to back it off a little bit and so they did.

 

[clone52]

Freyler targeting
*4th play of game
*Not called on the field
*Replay-initiated call, with 11 seconds on the play clock
Q: How much of Baylor's later passing success was in the area of the field where Freyler would have been?

Without the targeting, it's 3rd and 6 from the Baylor 39.

The very next play...

Reeder unnecessary roughness
*Flag came from the LJ (LOS on Baylor sideline).
*The only possible justification -- and it's a big stretch -- is "contact against an opponent out of the play". The LJ wouldn't have known yet whether or not the WR was obviously out of the play when the contact occurred.
*Anderson had a 7-yard sack wiped out on the play. If that had happened on 3rd and 6 (as it should have been), then it's 4th and 13 and Baylor punts instead of scoring a touchdown.

Moving ahead to action later in the 2nd quarter...

Johnson illegal block
*Came in 2-3 seconds after the play, from the R, who was behind the play and had a bad angle.
*HL (on the LOS, ISU side) had the best sightline, but was likely keyed on the tackle and ball spot.
*Without the penalty, it's 4th and 5 from the ISU 29 -- which is either a 46-yard FG attempt or BU goes for it. Most likely is 3 points, instead of the 7 they got on that drive.

McDonald face mask
*Clearly the right call, but would never have had the opportunity to occur if the previous penalty on Johnson wasn't called.

Now in the 3rd quarter...

McDonald hands to the face
*It happened, but came after a blatant hold by the TE (not called).
*Flag again thrown by R, who should have had a good angle on the hold.
*So what could have been as far back as 1st and 20 from midfield (hold, no PF) turns into 1st and 10 at ISU's 25.
*Baylor finishes the drive with a touchdown.

Can anyone find a picture of the play in the 4th quarter, maybe after Noel's circus catch where the Baylor DL had hands to the face of the ISU C? It was blatent and no flag.

Edit: Found it.


Also, the first 3rd down play on Baylor's last real drive (when we were down 10), had a blatent hold right in front of the ball carrier where the DL got spun around.

 

[ISUGolf2008]

If anyone has time to research the guys go for it. I do not have the time to do it but the little time i did have i saw the referee has been named official of the year in his career and also officiated national title games.

At the bottom of the box score also.

Football vs Iowa State on 9/24/2022 - Box Score - Baylor

The official box score of Football vs Iowa State on 9/24/2022

baylorbears.com

 

[JP4CY]

Some fans just need a excuse to sleep at night because in their head we do no wrong and they think we are a b12 champion team this year so these excuses will make them still believe we are

Who thinks that ISU has a Big 12 champion caliber team? I don't think I've seen that posted at all.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

Lmao, you conspiracy theorists need to come back to reality.

It's pure incompetence, watch any sporting event, it just doesn't happen to us. It's far worse in college basketball, the refs just suck badly at their jobs.

If they want to clean up officiating then their needs to be consequences for poor job performance, until then stuff like this will continue to happen.

I watched some of the Florida-Tennesse game, one play the Florida QB was easily in by at least a yard and they called him down, went to the replay and immediately called it a TD. Then later Tennessee appeared to be short but there was no way to tell because he was caught in a human dog pile and the refs went ahead and gave him a TD.

And to be fair to the refs, 20 years ago they didn’t have to worry about targeting, the nuances of what is/isn’t a catch, or have cameras that could count the blades of grass between the ball and a given line.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Did you watch the Tim Donaghy Netflix show? It was much more widespread than him. David Stern shut down the investigation and put it all on Donaghy to prevent the real scope of it being found out. It appears there's a similar problem with NCAA football now too.

I haven’t seen it, so I’ll have to check it out.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I would also say Tim Donaghy and the Boston College point shaving stories aren’t evidence that game fixing is prevalent. Quite the opposite, it shows game fixing is so rare that these became subjects of movies and documentaries

IIRC the only reason the point shaving thing came to light was because an organized crime guy was arrested for something else and talked to avoid jail time.

It's not like they figured it out from the actual games.

 

[Cyrocks]

If anyone has time to research the guys go for it. I do not have the time to do it but the little time i did have i saw the referee has been named official of the year in his career and also officiated national title games.
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At the bottom of the box score also.

Football vs Iowa State on 9/24/2022 - Box Score - Baylor

The official box score of Football vs Iowa State on 9/24/2022

baylorbears.com

Doesn't mean he didn't f*** up in the ISU-Baylor game. That blocking below the waist call was horrible and not worthy of a "official of the year" winner.

 

[GTO]

I think there was also a catch by X where about 5 Baylor players tackled him with at least two of them launching themselves helmet first. I want to say one or both made helmet-to-helmet contact. No call.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Lmao, you conspiracy theorists need to come back to reality.

It's pure incompetence, watch any sporting event, it just doesn't happen to us. It's far worse in college basketball, the refs just suck badly at their jobs.

If they want to clean up officiating then their needs to be consequences for poor job performance, until then stuff like this will continue to happen.

I watched some of the Florida-Tennesse game, one play the Florida QB was easily in by at least a yard and they called him down, went to the replay and immediately called it a TD. Then later Tennessee appeared to be short but there was no way to tell because he was caught in a human dog pile and the refs went ahead and gave him a TD.

Conspiracy theory? Maybe.

However this isn't just about a bad call or placement of the ball or missed PI.

Let's just say PF on Reeder was because the Baylor receiver was 110lbs soaking wet hence the hit looked worse than what it was.

Let's just say the chop block called on the corner was because the Baylor lineman was basically twice his size and made it look like he went below the waste.

Both p*** poor explanations but whatever. However ISU had a player ejected without a penalty flag being thrown. Okay? Not penalized......EJECTED!

On a play that could have easily been ignored because that is what happened with the Baylor player who did the exact same thing to J. Brock.

So call it what you want.......or nothing at all. That obviously went above the officials on the field because if it was left to them......Freyler would have still been playing and the Baylor drive would have been stopped.

Had it been different would it have changed the outcome.....I don't know. But you eject a player in that manner, then throw down those penalties right after.....it certainly makes the defense start to think instead of react.

And as an aside........that super physical, aggressive Baylor defense was not called for one thing in the first half while we had the above. In fact the only penalty on Baylor in the first half was a block in the back on their special teams right before halftime.

Now I know Baylor is a good team with a great coach. But they go penalty free while we get a player ejected without a flag.........right.

 

[2122]

I'm thinking that a high percentage of Cyclone Fanatics think that the bullet that split JFK's skull open back in '63 was fired by someone not named Oswald.

 

[Statefan10]

I'm thinking that a high percentage of Cyclone Fanatics think that the bullet that split JFK's skull open back in '63 was fired by someone not named Oswald.

I think anyone genuinely thinking the game was fixed is over exaggerating big time but those calls all coming in a short amount of time while ISU not getting a single call is pretty justifiable to question what the hell was going on.

 

[IsUaClone2]

I do think that is targeting by rule….. I just can’t figure out why the 3 worse targeting hits by Baylor weren’t called? That’s my biggest issue.

I would really like to see another view of that hit because when I look at it, with this angle, it looks like Beau actually hits pad-to-pad. You see Beau's helmet cover-up part of the Baylor's player's right shoulder pad and Baylor's helmet and body don't react with the shock of the hit until Beau's pad aligns with Baylor's pad; then Baylor's body rebounds from the hit. Further, the Baylor player's helmet maintains the same relationship to the body throughout the whole sequence. Until I see another view, it appears to me to be a should-to-shoulder hit, no helmets involved.

 

[TitanClone]

The 2nd hit was CLEARLY the more egregious one. The first was helmet on pads. The 2nd was helmet on helmet. WOW!

That was obvious live, the most frustrating thing wasn't bad calls. It was how egregious they were.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I tend not to think that the refs were on the take for this game, but I would love to see how they graded out for the game. The blocking below the waist call was about a bad as any call that I can remember in quite a while, just totally wrong. That call falls under unless you see the play the whole way and see it actually happen, is the only way you make that call, and even then it was wrong. Just a horrible call.

The personal fouls should have been called both ways, not just against ISU. I get the refs are trying to protect the players, and they are trying to set the tone for the game by calling it, but the PF by the Baylor kid was directly to the head, and not the shoulder pad area like the ISU one was, but our kid got tossed, while the Baylor kid remained in the game.

 

[IsUaClone2]

I wish to believe there was no fixing but I am suspicious that there may have been a pre-game meeting of the officials where they covered any rule changes and what areas needed to be looked at a little more closely. Being early in the conference season the officials may have over-reacted to the more closely situations such as making a bad call, realizing it, then making no call when it that situation happens again - unfortunately the call and no-call went against the same team.

 

[Statefan10]

I tend not to think that the refs were on the take for this game, but I would love to see how they graded out for the game. The blocking below the waist call was about a bad as any call that I can remember in quite a while, just totally wrong. That call falls under unless you see the play the whole way and see it actually happen, is the only way you make that call, and even then it was wrong. Just a horrible call.

The personal fouls should have been called both ways, not just against ISU. I get the refs are trying to protect the players, and they are trying to set the tone for the game by calling it, but the PF by the Baylor kid was directly to the head, and not the shoulder pad area like the ISU one was, but our kid got tossed, while the Baylor kid remained in the game.

I think the worst call of the game was Reeder knocking the guy off his route. That official should not be reffing this level of football if he thought that was unnecessary roughness

 

[Nococy]

Freyler targeting
*4th play of game
*Not called on the field
*Replay-initiated call, with 11 seconds on the play clock
Q: How much of Baylor's later passing success was in the area of the field where Freyler would have been?

Without the targeting, it's 3rd and 6 from the Baylor 39.

The very next play...

Reeder unnecessary roughness
*Flag came from the LJ (LOS on Baylor sideline).
*The only possible justification -- and it's a big stretch -- is "contact against an opponent out of the play". The LJ wouldn't have known yet whether or not the WR was obviously out of the play when the contact occurred.
*Anderson had a 7-yard sack wiped out on the play. If that had happened on 3rd and 6 (as it should have been), then it's 4th and 13 and Baylor punts instead of scoring a touchdown.

Moving ahead to action later in the 2nd quarter...

Johnson illegal block
*Came in 2-3 seconds after the play, from the R, who was behind the play and had a bad angle.
*HL (on the LOS, ISU side) had the best sightline, but was likely keyed on the tackle and ball spot.
*Without the penalty, it's 4th and 5 from the ISU 29 -- which is either a 46-yard FG attempt or BU goes for it. Most likely is 3 points, instead of the 7 they got on that drive.

McDonald face mask
*Clearly the right call, but would never have had the opportunity to occur if the previous penalty on Johnson wasn't called.

Now in the 3rd quarter...

McDonald hands to the face
*It happened, but came after a blatant hold by the TE (not called).
*Flag again thrown by R, who should have had a good angle on the hold.
*So what could have been as far back as 1st and 20 from midfield (hold, no PF) turns into 1st and 10 at ISU's 25.
*Baylor finishes the drive with a touchdown.

on the reeder penalty it happened in the middle of the field. that is not the area the line judge has that is the umpires area. this is a example of poor technique by the line judge who has line of scrimmage and flats area.

 

[ARCYCLONE]

I would really like to see another view of that hit because when I look at it, with this angle, it looks like Beau actually hits pad-to-pad. You see Beau's helmet cover-up part of the Baylor's player's right shoulder pad and Baylor's helmet and body don't react with the shock of the hit until Beau's pad aligns with Baylor's pad; then Baylor's body rebounds from the hit. Further, the Baylor player's helmet maintains the same relationship to the body throughout the whole sequence. Until I see another view, it appears to me to be a should-to-shoulder hit, no helmets involved.

Exactly!! Meanwhile the two hits on Jirehl clearly show his head/helmet snap back different from his upper body