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The school gave the victim the options of finishing the year on-site in class with his assaulter, or finishing online.

They're f*cked. And deservedly so.
I have a parent that’s been on a school board for 25+ years and have seen some wild cases against the school. This is the one time where I say the victims family take the school for everything and then some
 

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I have a parent that’s been on a school board for 25+ years and have seen some wild cases against the school. This is the one time where I say the victims family take the school for everything and then some
Yeah it's such a weird unforced error too, like hey we should treat the credible potential victim of a heinous sexual assault better than the alleged perpetrator of said sexual assault.
 

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I have a parent that’s been on a school board for 25+ years and have seen some wild cases against the school. This is the one time where I say the victims family take the school for everything and then some
I wonder how it not being on school grounds will affect the lawsuit. The school can be liable for the bullying at the school and other things. They can’t be held liable for things that happen off the grounds I’m guessing.
 
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I wonder how it now being on school grounds will affect the lawsuit. The school can be liable for the bullying at the school and other things. They can’t be held liable for things that happen off the grounds I’m guessing.
Did new info come out about the original incident, or are you just referencing other things brought up in the suit that happened on school grounds? Just trying to keep up here.
 

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Did new info come out about the original incident, or are you just referencing other things brought up in the suit that happened on school grounds? Just trying to keep up here.
Fat fingers. Sorry. Now should have been not.
 

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Did new info come out about the original incident, or are you just referencing other things brought up in the suit that happened on school grounds? Just trying to keep up here.

Don’t know this but I am guessing how the school handled this debacle is what the CRC will be centered on.

EDIT - just read the article. That is exactly what the CRC is about.

In these types of situations, you either control the narrative or it jerks you around by the short and curlys.

The school hosed this up big time by slow playing this and not being assertive especially after seeing the COC verbiage.

Like @isufbcurt said…..sack up, and make a decision.
 

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I wonder how it not being on school grounds will affect the lawsuit. The school can be liable for the bullying at the school and other things. They can’t be held liable for things that happen off the grounds I’m guessing.
Complaint has nothing to do with the incident itself but rather how the school district handled the incident after it occurred .
 
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Don’t know this but I am guessing how the school handled this debacle is what the CRC will be centered on.

EDIT - just read the article. That is exactly what the CRC is about.

In these types of situations, you either control the narrative or it jerks you around by the short and curlys.

The school hosed this up big time by slow playing this and not being assertive especially after seeing the COC verbiage.

Like @isufbcurt said…..sack up, and make a decision.
You either control the narrative or let the narrative control you. One takes quick action and knowing initially you’ll deal with some minor blowback…then there’s the other
 
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Whatever happened to participating in school athletics being a privilege, not a right, and therefore participants having to meet a higher standard of conduct?

Having and applying a higher standard makes these situations easier to navigate (for the school anyways).

For example…….caught at a party, drinking or not, there are consequences. I could make the case for the punishment being as harsh for an attendee as a participant.

Makes coaches and administrators’ jobs easier.
 
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Whatever happened to participating in school athletics being a privilege, not a right, and therefore participants having to meet a higher standard of conduct?

Having and applying a higher standard makes these situations easier to navigate (for the school anyways).

For example…….caught at a party, drinking or not, there are consequences. I could make the case for the punishment being as harsh for an attendee as a participant.

Makes coaches and administrators’ jobs easier.
Interested in hearing this?
 

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Interested in hearing this?
The argument centers on what behaviors are you trying to drive (and in some cases, avoid). From there, you set your consequences and make sure you leave some wiggle to be more severe in the punishment (minimum standard). I would always err to the more severe side of consequences vs. a loose or lazy interpretation.

The rub is enforcing it. I can see that being a lot tougher in today’s environment with social media, court of public opinion, overbearing sport’s parents that don’t want to parent, lawsuits etc. Lots of headwinds.

It would be similar to what is In the military. It’s called the UCMJ, and double jeopardy does exist. You see similar standards at the service academies as well.

Sucky thing is that these kids eventually get older (not necessarily “grow up”) and end up in workplaces with their skewed view of the world.

In a lot of ways it’s not all that different than what standards businesses set for their employees.
 

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The argument centers on what behaviors are you trying to drive (and in some cases, avoid). From there, you set your consequences and make sure you leave some wiggle to be more severe in the punishment (minimum standard). I would always err to the more severe side of consequences vs. a loose or lazy interpretation.

The rub is enforcing it. I can see that being a lot tougher in today’s environment with social media, court of public opinion, overbearing sport’s parents that don’t want to parent, lawsuits etc. Lots of headwinds.

It would be similar to what is In the military. It’s called the UCMJ, and double jeopardy does exist. You see similar standards at the service academies as well.

Sucky thing is that these kids eventually get older (not necessarily “grow up”) and end up in workplaces with their skewed view of the world.

In a lot of ways it’s not all that different than what standards businesses set for their employees.
So you want to punish a kid that’s the DD for his friends harsher then the guys that were drinking? What about the kid that wasn’t at the party but went and picked some people up that were drinking and just so happens to pull in and it gets busted?

Because for me personally that’s the behavior I would encourage for any kid. I would defend them no matter what. If you don’t see it that way we just will agree to disagree on it but appreciate the in depth reply.
 

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So you want to punish a kid that’s the DD for his friends harsher then the guys that were drinking? What about the kid that wasn’t at the party but went and picked some people up that were drinking and just so happens to pull in and it gets busted?

Because for me personally that’s the behavior I would encourage for any kid. I would defend them no matter what. If you don’t see it that way we just will agree to disagree on it but appreciate the in depth reply.
You make some good points about exceptions…..always wiggle for exceptions. Can’t be black or white.

Key word on my earlier post “caught”. Assumption is that law enforcement was involved.

I still stand by my point about being too strict vs. not strict enough.


While there are valuable lessons that can be learned and taught through sports, there are valuable lessons that can also be learned by screwing up and having to be held accountable for your actions.

Every time we as a society let these things slide we deviate further and further down the slippery slope.
 
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