But Arkansas roster is far more expensive then KU. The NIL allows non blue bloods to recruit at the highest level.
Who ever the is person in charge of working with the offense should be fired on the spot
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Yeah honestly Arkansas is a better example. Texas has always had good coaching and tremendous players, they’ve just **** the bed a ton in the tournament.
Yeah.
If you have all the right musical instruments you can have a nice symphony orchestra.
TJ has like three accordions, two plastic recorders, a triangle, a kazoo, and a keytar at his disposal on offense.
Point being, Fred has struggled in Lincoln because he hasn't done a good job getting the right guys to play his system there. His success at ISU was less in the offensive system he ran, but who he recruited to run it. Otz was smart enough to know he could at least win games with a defensive mindset for a couple years and he's on a much more solid footing because of it.
there were a bunch of write ups on it last spring. They ran out of scholarships but still got a couple of great players that had to walk on, it didn't matter there were not on scholarship as they got paid so much it off set it.
Nothing against Otzelberger, but I think you’re minimizing Fred a little.
Fred kind of revolutionized the college game. He brought NBA spacing concepts to ISU, which was far from prevalent, that is now the standard in NCAA basketball. His inbound plays were nationally revered at the time. His second year we literally had Royce White running point for us, but it was effective because of the offense he ran.
We got more successful further into his tenure because he recruited better players AND because of his offense. IMO, his failure at Nebraska is more because he has worse players AND his offense is not the competitive advantage it once was cause most teams run it.
I'd love to hear the OP offer a suggestion on what we should have been doing differently offensively. The truth of the matter we had horrible roster makeup offensively. We don't have guys that can create their own shot or hit an open jumper. John Wooden himself couldn't have figured out how to make that team score consistently.
our offense was second in the league until Grill got hurt. So the staff did a good job with offense until that happened.
Grill was fine but he was shooting 36% from 3. The next best was Gabe at 35%. Aside from them we didn't have much else. Ideally you should have at minimum 3(I would say 4 these days) consistently good three point shooters on the floor at all times.
You’re completely correct but Jaren was actually shooting 37% from three at that point. And whether it was directly caused by Grill or just a coincidence, he shot 30% the rest of the year following that home game vs Texas.
It's a double edged sword as a slower pace was likely required to keep opponents from getting out and running a ton, but I do think at times there are possessions where the first 20 seconds or so of the clock aren't really spent trying to generate good looks so the end result is a rushed/forced shot.
Similarly, for probably the same reason, there hasn't been much of an emphasis on getting out and running off of turnovers where you can get easier looks. My hope is that next year we see a bit faster pace and more effort to push the ball. I think we will anyway as a guy like Omaha seems like he'll be a monster in transition.
Another one is more pick and roll/pop actions, I think Tre, Omaha, and Milan could excel as screeners. I do think this is a bit reliant on Lipsey/Williams being able to keep the defense honest though, and be able to punish defenders for sagging under the screen.
I assume some of the offensive woes later in the schedule came from league opponents having their second shot at us, having played against it + more game film. I don't know what percentage of the situation was due to that, but coupling that w/ Jaz being out then Grill injury, we were bound to lose some momentum.
Compared to 2021-22, the number of complete dud shooting/scoring games was way lower. Unfortunately bottom of the barrel in that regard came in the tournament. The OU home loss may be the only other one truly in that category (adjusting for quality of opponent and having it be at home)
Compared to 2021-22, the number of complete dud shooting/scoring games was way lower. Unfortunately bottom of the barrel in that regard came in the tournament. The OU home loss may be the only other one truly in that category (adjusting for quality of opponent and having it be at home)
Oklahoma State won 27 games with Doug Gottlieb starting for them. In case you forgot senior Gottlieb:
- scored 5.9 points a game
- shot .410 from the field
- shot .184 from 3 and
- shot .433 from the FT line.
- scored 7.3 points a game
- shot .482 from the field
- shot .200 from 3 and
- shot .759 from the FT line.
But I think it is moot because Lipsey is a harder worker than Gottlieb ever was and he will work his tail off improving his game to give his team what they need out of him.
And Tyson. And JB Hunt.
Arkansas should be great in everything. We'll see if they get there.
With names like Desmond Mason, Glendon Alexander, Brian Montonabi and Joe Adkins as running mates, Doug didn't have to do anything but what hall of famer Eddie Sutton told him. Unfortunately ISU right now has no where near that type of talent thus a scoring point guard would be huge help.
And I would probably go back and re-watch some of his old OSU games before I make the claim Lipsey is a harder worker than Gottlieb ever was. Nothing against Lipsey....Doug was a bulldog. That's coming from LE and others. He was someone you loved to hate.
Plus I just think basketball has changed a ton since Gottlieb was playing. Wayyyyy more emphasis on the three point shot/spacing nowadays. It's just not an apples to apples thing.
Granted, I don't think Lipsey ever needs to be a sniper, but just good enough to draw the defense out to the line. I also think he'll get there, he's obviously a smart kid and a really hard worker.
Gottlieb was tough in games - I recall him picking a fight with Fizer in the Big 12 Tourney semi-final trying to get them both kicked out because he knew it would be a net gain for OSU. He succeeded in drawing a double technical. But I don't think he was fooling anyone that he was anything near a gym rat with shooting extra shots to improve his atrocious three point and free throw shooting or even off season conditioning and weight lifting. Both his 3 point and FT averages actually went down through his college career.
The offense is fine, we just need better offensive players. We get those with the level of defense we play then that is a good recipe for conference titles and a final four
