***2023-24 College Football Thread***

AlaCyclone

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Well, your last two paragraphs make it evident that you just want Vegas since the reasons against the Cali ones aren’t any different than Vegas.

Does it not bother you about the big 12 giving a major cash influx to an area that has 0 big 12 support?
There is a little difference in the geography, but not significant. Vegas is easier for the current Big Xii than the two California locations. Not a major difference, but some. I think a random game @ Las Vegas would draw better than @ Rose Bowl or @ San Diego.

No, it does not bother me at all. Part of my preference for @ Vegas is to actually cultivate the Big Xii footprint in the Western part of the country. That is one of the reasons for expansion. We want the Big Xii brand to be stong out west like it is in our part of the world now.

One thing I have thought of during this discussion that would be a negative about leaving @ Arlington is that the Big Xii would lose the football recruiting bump that being there has, AND if the Big Xii leaves Dallas Metro for that big event, it turns the area over to the SEC 100%. We definitely want to keep the Dallas Morning News and Media tuned into the Big Xii.

Like I said in an earlier thread, I am not willing to die on this hill, but I do see potential merits in the Football Game being in Vegas. It is 100% better than the Florida options and slightly better than the California options.

At the end of the day, we should want the Four Corners teams to like being in the new Big Xii. I have zero animosity for them, and would rather throw them a football bone which is still good for the Midwestern teams since we don't have to kowtow to Texas and OU *in football* any longer in order to leave the Basketball in KC.

Time will tell on this. It will be interesting to see how the Big Xii Game goes @ Arlington next year. If it continues to be a success, there is nothing wrong with that. However, I hope the Big Xii considers Vegas for the Football (ONLY). If they do, I think I will plan on going the first year it is @ Las Vegas regardless of who plays.
 
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Well that’s a leap. No what I’m saying is that their star QB the person who lead them to win those games is gone, his backup is t nearly as good so they aren’t the same team without him. I wouldn’t put FSU in, they are going to get obliterated
You are literally saying that the games don’t matter. “Sucks you won every single game this year but you don’t have your star. We think you’ll get killed”

Listen, I hope they lose tonight because I don’t want to watch that game. They didn’t leave Ohio St out when they had to go to Cardale Jones.
 

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You are literally saying that the games don’t matter. “Sucks you won every single game this year but you don’t have your star. We think you’ll get killed”

Listen, I hope they lose tonight because I don’t want to watch that game. They didn’t leave Ohio St out when they had to go to Cardale Jones.
FSU isn’t OSU and sadly that matters. Again they aren’t the same team, March Madness changes seeding based on injuries too, the committee decides to put “the four best teams in” in FSU’s case they aren’t a top team without their QB and that’s just a fact. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just saying it’s a possibility
 
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I'd think Michigan, Washington, FSU would be in, and there'd be 1-loss Georgia, Texas, Bama fighting for the #4 spot.
And in that case, Texas beat Alabama, who beat Georgia. Seems to be open-and-shut to me.

That would make for excellent, immediate drama in the SEC...

And for the record, Texas can take a long walk on a short pier. However, shutting out the SEC from this year's playoff would be an excellent parting gift to the Big XII.
 

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FSU isn’t OSU and sadly that matters. Again they aren’t the same team, March Madness changes seeding based on injuries too, the committee decides to put “the four best teams in” in FSU’s case they aren’t a top team without their QB and that’s just a fact. I’m not saying I agree with it, I’m just saying it’s a possibility
There are 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament. A lot easier to move someone down a seed line or two because that team at least still gets in. You just can't leave an undefeated P5 champ out for a one-loss team. Sorry I don't care what the circumstances are. Will the game suck? Probably. But this is sports and FBS college football is the only one where sometimes the actual field results don't matter. It's idiotic.
 

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Not exactly sure.
There is a little difference in the geography, but not significant. Vegas is easier for the current Big Xii than the two California locations. Not a major difference, but some. I think a random game @ Las Vegas would draw better than @ Rose Bowl or @ San Diego.

No, it does not bother me at all. Part of my preference for @ Vegas is to actually cultivate the Big Xii footprint in the Western part of the country. That is one of the reasons for expansion. We want the Big Xii brand to be stong out west like it is in our part of the world now.

One thing I have thought of during this discussion that would be a negative about leaving @ Arlington is that the Big Xii would lose the football recruiting bump that being there has, AND if the Big Xii leaves Dallas Metro for that big event, it turns the area over to the SEC 100%. We definitely want to keep the Dallas Morning News and Media tuned into the Big Xii.

Like I said in an earlier thread, I am not willing to die on this hill, but I do see potential merits in the Football Game being in Vegas. It is 100% better than the Florida options and slightly better than the California options.

At the end of the day, we should want the Four Corners teams to like being in the new Big Xii. I have zero animosity for them, and would rather throw them a football bone which is still good for the Midwestern teams since we don't have to kowtow to Texas and OU any longer in order to leave the Basketball in KC.

Time will tell on this. It will be interesting to see how the Big Xii Game goes @ Arlington next year. If it continues to be a success, there is nothing wrong with that. However, I hope the Big Xii considers Vegas for the Football (ONLY). If they do, I think I will plan on going the first year it is @ Las Vegas regardless of who plays.
Well, I forget which four corner said it, but they think the BB tourney should be moved out by then.
 

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There are 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament. A lot easier to move someone down a seed line or two because that team at least still gets in. You just can't leave an undefeated P5 champ out for a one-loss team. Sorry I don't care what the circumstances are. Will the game suck? Probably. But this is sports and FBS college football is the only one where sometimes the actual field results don't matter. It's idiotic.
All the more reason we’re moving to a 12 team playoff
 
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AlaCyclone

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Where it gets interesting is if FSU loses and Bama beats Georgia. In that case, Michigan is in, Washington is in... then what? Does the committee take both Bama and Georgia? I wouldn't be shocked.
In that scenario, they should and probably would take Texas and Alabama. Alabama should not and probably will not be taken over Texas, and they will not take Georgia over Alabama if the Tide win.

#4 Alabama vs. # 1 Michigan in the Rose Bowl
#3 Texas vs. # 2 Washington in the Sugar Bowl
 
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Which statistically has been disproven time and time again over the last several years. Most of the P5 conferences have basically all been in the same ballpark for defense.
That always drove me nuts. ISU was regularly holding BXII opponents 10-15 pts under their average, but "didn't play defense" :mad:
 

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And in that case, Texas beat Alabama, who beat Georgia. Seems to be open-and-shut to me.

That would make for excellent, immediate drama in the SEC...

Computers like Texas schedule even if media spreads a narrative.

I can’t see a scenario where they are not the best one loss team logically or even just eye test.

They would bully Oregon more than Washington did.

If another one loss team gets in over them their a-hole fans will be right to blame the big 12 but really it’s media treatment of b12.
 
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Florida State wins, they're in.

I want FSU to Win
I want Bama to win
Texas to win (gross, I know)


Because then you'd have


1) Washington
2) Texas
3) Michigan
4) Florida State


Now, it won't happen but an undefeated ACC team + the team that beat Alabama in Bama over a 1 loss SEC champion and without Georgia...


GIVE ME THE CHAOS I BEG OF YOU.