*** Official Oklahoma State vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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He was a McDonalds All American, 5 star recruit, on U19 Team USA. Any of his peers not playing on their Teams?

It's all good that ISU is winning, but I understand why people thought Omaha would be playing. Expectation was that he would be one of the best players on the Team. Would ISU not be better if he actually was better than Tre King? That's the depressing part. The thought was a recruit like that raises Teams ceiling. And he was talked about as a one year player not a development. I would say for me it's more confusing then depressing, but I get it.
I remember reading if he can be a 10 & 8 guy he'd be a mid 1st rounder at worst. While his intensity would separate him. Basically getting drafted on potential.

He's got some work to do this off-season but I'm confident he can get there.
 

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Re: Milan NBA, it's so hard to say these days since the NBA has become such a developmental league. It's not like the NFL where most positions are expected to compete and contribute against veterans from day 1. If forced, I'd bet he's back next year just because 2024 looks to be a pretty deep draft, he can afford to wait a year or two and hopefully sneak into the lottery.
 
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Lipsey leads this team in almost every statistical category. Saying Tamin is not our best player is certainly disrespectful. By leaps and bounds.

No it's not.

Nobody has been as impactful as Ward on a per minute basis since conference started. Now, Lipsey is out most important player as PG, especially in college, is probably the most important position on the floor and we really don't have a legit backup point guard.

With that said we are a completely different team when Ward is in and to be able to have that kind of impact in 15-20 minutes a game is nearly unheard of.
 

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Which ISU team would be better, without Lipsey or within Ward?

I love what Hasan has brought to the team since his return, but they are sunk without Tamin. Even with a solid group of guards.

Love Hason, and I don’t want this to seem like a slight—but without him. Lipsey is one of the better point guards in the country. For real.
 
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Which ISU team would be better, without Lipsey or within Ward?

I love what Hasan has brought to the team since his return, but they are sunk without Tamin. Even with a solid group of guards.

You can say Hason has probably been our best and most productive player, on a per minute basis, over these last few games while easily admitting Lipsey is the most important player on the team. He's at a premium position, the position where we have the least depth, AND he has shown he can play at an insanely high level for a large amount of minutes.

Until Ward can show he can play 30 minutes a game while maintaining his production it's not even a discussion. I think everyone knows who rhe most valuable player on this team is ans right now it's not even close.
 
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I really didn’t expect Hasan to average 11 and 5 in his first 4 games back from injury. That, added to what BRE is bringing raises our offensive floor.

A huge improvement in both players this year is not fouling when doubling the guard on the perimeter and also not getting called for moving screens on offense. BRE hasn’t been in foul trouble all season, since he’s not picking up 2 cheap unnecessary fouls a game.
The lack of fouling is a big difference from last year. How many games last year was the other team in the bonus halfway through the half?
 

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The lack of fouling is a big difference from last year. How many games last year was the other team in the bonus halfway through the half?
Feel like there were some games where they were in the bonus by the 14 min mark
 
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The lack of fouling is a big difference from last year. How many games last year was the other team in the bonus halfway through the half?
I think the rule changes on charges/blocks helped that a lot. Seems like we were trying to draw charges almost too much last year and hurt us if they weren't getting called. A lot better at defending and staying vertical this year.
 

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Feel like there were some games where they were in the bonus by the 14 min mark

There were. Tech was in the double bonus by the 9:40 remaining mark in the 2nd half of the Lubbock collapse. While Tech didn't take advantage as much as they could have they did make a 2nd FT after missing the first with about 6 minutes left. A big FT that they wouldn't have received if still in a 1 and 1.

Then there is the WV road game that's sticks out. I looked it up and we had EIGHT fouls after 4 minutes of play on the 2nd half and WV hit the double bonus with 12:51 remaining. In a 30 second stretch between 16 and 1640 remaining in the half, we picked up FIVE fouls. That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever witnessed. One of the few times I'd say officials hosed us out of a victory.
 

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I’d put a decent amount of money on staying unranked. After Houston lost again tonight, not sure if that win still looks as good
I'm actually good with that, it's fun to be ranked, but if you're a ISU fan you know this team passes the eye test, and wins. The more people think we are marginal the easier it is to play/beat them.
 

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No it's not.

Nobody has been as impactful as Ward on a per minute basis since conference started. Now, Lipsey is out most important player as PG, especially in college, is probably the most important position on the floor and we really don't have a legit backup point guard.

With that said we are a completely different team when Ward is in and to be able to have that kind of impact in 15-20 minutes a game is nearly unheard of.
Your per minute basis argument is weak. Lipsey is our best and most important player regardless of position, regardless of minutes.
You need to go back to your early season rant of bashing Rob Jones.
 

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Yeah, but we have that freshman. It's just not the guy you expected it to be. Did we strike out on Omaha, yes. But in most other regards we are exceeding expectations when it comes to the unknown variables coming in to this season. You can always say "well if this had gone differently our team would be better", but overall I think the fortunes are breaking for this to be a pretty special team. That's why it frustrates me that everyone focuses on Omaha so much. Now we know he's not going to contribute much this season. Move on.

I agree with most of your statement. I'm not sure that we've struck out with Omaha, it's just that he didn't meet expectations. I've got a lot of hope for him succeeding next yr. Maybe I'm wrong and he will bail, but I hope he stays and grows like many of our players have.
 
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I agree with most of your statement. I'm not sure that we've struck out with Omaha, it's just that he didn't meet expectations. I've got a lot of hope for him succeeding next yr. Maybe I'm wrong and he will bail, but I hope he stays and grows like many of our players have.
Yeah, I could have worded that better. I may have had a few drinks when I posted that last night. I hope Omaha stays and he can still be a great player IMO. Just needs some more development.
 
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