***2024 US Open Golf Thread Pinehurst #2***

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YouTube golf allowed Bryson to completely change his image. He plays competitive matches with well-known amateurs like Grant Horvat but also does fun challenges like playing with junior clubs or $100 clubs from Walmart. The younger generations love it and it's showing when he's on the big stage.

There's about 0% chance you'll ever see that from Scheffler, JT, Spieth, etc.

All three have videos on YouTube doing different golf challenges.
 

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You guys don’t understand what I’m saying. LIV is contract golf. The PGA is not. That makes LIV basically non-competitive. Bryson has virtually no incentive to play well on the LIV Tour…. he already got his money…. playing well doesn’t really do anything for him.

On the PGA…. for a lot of the players, if they don’t play well, they barely get by. All the incentive is to play well and compete.
You have to get really far down on the money list to be in "barely get by" territory, 200th place last year made $292,000.
 

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You guys (and the guys in media) who talk about "sportswashing" are such dorks. First of all, the point of the supposed term would be that it would turn public sentiment and "wash" away all the bad, which it clearly won't actually do unless you have an incredibly smooth brain. Besides that, I don't think they care about what the world opinion is so long as they have a seat at the table. The other thing is almost to a man, the sportswashing warriors will also poo-poo any other entity brought up like China or any other entity that is involved in the sports or entertainment world so they are essentially actively sportswashing. Now, the golf media and PGA Tour certainly provided the narrative here and really it's just the latest attempt to appeal to emotion.
Agree on the "sportswashing" piece here. So dumb.

Ya know, all the holier-than-thous here could take the money and then - gasp - donate it to worthy causes? Money is only 'dirty' depending on what you do with. A person could do a lot of good with LIV money.
 
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The biggest thing with the YouTube content is that the PGA guys can't do that currently. The PGA controls all of the media rights. That was one thing that has been mentioned by several of the LIV guys is the freedom to do their own media stuff. I believe one point Bryson even said that was a big selling point for him to join LIV was his ability to do his own media content. And now we see why.
The PGA guys can't even have their own photographers during tournaments. I know Phil said when he won the PGA, he had to purchase any photos he wanted from the event because he couldn't have his own photographer on course. So it may be difficult for some of the PGA guys to have the kind of social media exposure that Bryson can have by going to LIV.
 
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You have to get really far down on the money list to be in "barely get by" territory, 200th place last year made $292,000.
I'd say that guy is probably barely making it depending on sponsors and such. He's got a caddy salary, travel and stay for probably 200 days out of the year.
 
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You have to get really far down on the money list to be in "barely get by" territory, 200th place last year made $292,000.

Not sure exactly how it all works anymore, but guys used to have to pay all their own travel and lodging expenses…. and if you aren’t near the top you also might have to worry about losing your card too most years.
 

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Is the demand there in the way they like to think it is? Until Tiger Woods, professional golf was a niche product. He got you off the ground but there hasn't been anyone even approaching the draw that he was and still is if he plays well ever again, which he likely isn't going to. Is the LIV thing just a convenient cover for the Tiger bubble popping? Recreational golf has arguably never been in a better spot. Equipment companies are booming, golf courses are full, and people are playing the game all while the professional game is struggling for viewers. I used to really struggle with the play vs watch dilemma on the weekends but outside the majors, it's not even a thought. Hell, a lot of times I'd rather watch the LPGA play a game where the numbers make sense to me.

A side note- If you miss a cut and Tiger makes it you should be suspended for 6 weeks. Majors and all. Go work on your game.

I definitely think so. I think NLU, Foreplay, Good Good, etc. the younger generation is paying more attention. I also think there's more ability to show your personality. It seems like the one thing LIV is kind of right on is there being a movement away from the stuffiness you see on the PGA tour. Spieth, Thomas, Xander, Scottie, Cantlay, etc.-- these guys are boring as ****. So yes, I think the demand for professional golf is there, but I think people want to see personalities and they want some excitement.
 

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Yes. Barstool is sponsored by Taylor Made.

Cool. I checked out Bryson's channel after reading about it in this thread and many of his videos have the "paid promotion" tag. He appears to be getting paid for product placement in his videos. Which is what YouTube is for!
 

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His channel has 81,000,000 views so nothing to snuff at. If he averages a million views per week he's going to make some pretty good money off of it

Definitely along with the product placement in his videos. He's putting out content that's generating clicks and he's monetizing off of it. Good for him!
 

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The biggest thing with the YouTube content is that the PGA guys can't do that currently. The PGA controls all of the media rights. That was one thing that has been mentioned by several of the LIV guys is the freedom to do their own media stuff. I believe one point Bryson even said that was a big selling point for him to join LIV was his ability to do his own media content. And now we see why.
The PGA guys can't even have their own photographers during tournaments. I know Phil said when he won the PGA, he had to purchase any photos he wanted from the event because he couldn't have his own photographer on course. So it may be difficult for some of the PGA guys to have the kind of social media exposure that Bryson can have by going to LIV.
I'm not sure that's 100% true. BryanBros is a youtube channel that features PGA card holder Wesley Bryan and his brother George, who got a special exemption for a tour event and actually made the cut.

They have had several vlog videos where they follow Wesley around at tournaments.
 
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His channel has 81,000,000 views so nothing to snuff at. If he averages a million views per week he's going to make some pretty good money off of it
Bryson's videos had 14.4 million views in the month of May. That was more than any other golf channel on YouTube.

For comparison, Good Good is the king of YouTube golf right now and they had 12 million views in May. Rick Shiels was was just below that number.
 

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10's of millions? His most popular video has a little over 2 million views.
Yes - 10's of millions. Many of his videos are listed other "channels" such as Good Good, Grant Horvat, Rick Shiels that get over a million views each, and these are released weekly.
 

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