*** Official Kansas State vs #3 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[GTO]

Just wanted to let everyone know that after our game I had tickets to the UNT-UTSA game in Denton, TX. My wife works for UNT and figured we'd have a good time at the game. Well, guess what other team also lost at home to a 9-11 team?

JFC, I must be cursed. Lost TWO home games today to 9-11 teams.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

Was Houston the other one?

yep

 

[GoldandCardinal]

I think the guards often sense the need to do something to break the momentum of the opponent. Driving to the hoop 1-on-1 and getting a foul/getting the FT line is good way to do that. But driving 1-on-3 isn't. The ISU offense doesn't seem to set up anything up to get a guard in a 1-on-1 to go grab a foul. If the offense isn't working, they just continue to do the same thing. As I posted earlier, this is a coaching issue that needs to get fixed.

Yeah, I think that’s what coach said.

 

[MTCyclone43]

The Cyclones look fractured. Too much dribbling. Curtis is pressing hucking up off balanced shots. When Curtis is playing his best, offensively, he is getting square to the basket and shooting in rythym. The last two games not so much. I have seen enough of Heise on the offensive end to see he does not belong- he acts scared of the ball on the offensive end of the the floor. It is elementary my dear Watson, you need to eat up more Heise minutes.

 

[singsing]

Team needs Milan back to help spacing, our guards aren't playing together. Too much hero ball and not enough passing. Our bigs aren't moving their feet. Got bashed for mentioning Jefferson doing it against Arizona. Way too many offensive rebounds because of it. All can be fixed. I think the team bought into the hype and regressed in their intensity.

 

[Dgilbertson]

Houston sucks. Tech beat Houston at Houston. We beat tech at tech. By the transitive property, we are better than Houston.

Any given day. Sad that we lost, but by flying spaghetti monster, I do love the chaos of college basketball.

Believe the majority of higher ranked top 25 teams lost yesterday. More than us were at home.

We’ve had Feb slides before. Can they get right by March? Hoping so. And if they do a 3-6 seed may be better for everyone’s psyche.

 

[Dgilbertson]

The Cyclones look fractured. Too much dribbling. Curtis is pressing hucking up off balanced shots. When Curtis is playing his best, offensively, he is getting square to the basket and shooting in rythym. The last two games not so much. I have seen enough of Heise on the offensive end to see he does not belong- he acts scared of the ball on the offensive end of the the floor. It is elementary my dear Watson, you need to eat up more Heise minutes.

I’ve not seen him look like this with the ball in his hands all year or at least since conference play. It’s in there. But will it come back?

 

[MTCyclone43]

I’ve not seen him look like this with the ball in his hands all year or at least since conference play. It’s in there. But will it come back?

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Nate must have left his offensive skill set in Cedar Falls or his offensive skill set does not translate to the Big 12 conference.

On a different note- can someone get Dishon some stickem so he can hold onto the basketball?

 

[awd4cy]

I get that. But based on what they did to us, I'm just saying, why speculate? They are either much better, in which case saying they are going to lose all the rest of their games (I'm exaggerating) doesn't make sense. Or, they are bad. In which case saying they are going to lose all the rest of their games, doesn't make sense either, and it doesn't make us look good.

I'll repeat, I don't get why some are speculating on K-State. Let them leave town. We try again in Manhattan?

I appreciate the answer though.

K-State fan?

 

[awd4cy]

Our NET stayed at 7 which is weird. Kansas State went from 95 to 83.

 

[Fishhead]

I guess you can’t make it up. BS shot at AZ and then the no show yesterday. With the later results what could’ve been

 

[madguy30]

Our NET stayed at 7 which is weird. Kansas State went from 95 to 83.

7 on Kenpom, 17 in offense, 6 in D.

There was a stat thrown out there that the last three games KSU's metrics have been good, probably closer to where they should be on the season with their players.

 

[StLouisClone]

Baylor outscored KU 60-30 in the 2nd half. Not sure which team will be more ticked off in our game tomorrow night.

 

[Dgilbertson]

K-State fan?

KState had been trending up and starting to figure some things out for those with eyes to see. I hate that the home court streak was lost to them/him, by that much.

But they have talent and they’ve been playing increasingly more competent basketball after looking completely broken to start conference play.

Will be interesting how this season and the purple kingdom reacts to him going fwd.

 

[cycloneworld]

Team needs Milan back to help spacing, our guards aren't playing together. Too much hero ball and not enough passing. Our bigs aren't moving their feet. Got bashed for mentioning Jefferson doing it against Arizona. Way too many offensive rebounds because of it. All can be fixed. I think the team bought into the hype and regressed in their intensity.

Offensively, yes. But Milan being back isn’t going to fix giving up 80 to a bottom dweller. Even if we were better offensively and turned it over less, we lose because we couldn’t get stops and gave a very ****** effort on the glass.

Chatfield had one rebound in 15 minutes. ONE. How is that even possible? Between Jackson and him, our centers combined for a total of 5 rebounds. Curtis Jones had 6. That’s embarrassing levels of effort.

 

[madguy30]

KState had been trending up and starting to figure some things out for those with eyes to see. I hate that the home court streak was lost to them/him, by that much.

But they have talent and they’ve been playing increasingly more competent basketball after looking completely broken to start conference play.

Will be interesting how this season and the purple kingdom reacts to him going fwd.

Also needing recognition is ISU having their own physical limitations, only magnified with Milan out. They don't help themselves with speeding themselves up on offense.

ISU's advantage over teams the last few years has been being the aggressor and really bothering teams on defense and this team doesn't seem to have that as much.

 

[rosshm16]

Offensively, yes. But Milan being back isn’t going to fix giving up 80 to a bottom dweller. Even if we were better offensively and turned it over less, we lose because we couldn’t get stops and gave a very ****** effort on the glass.

Chatfield had one rebound in 15 minutes. ONE. How is that even possible? Between Jackson and him, our centers combined for a total of 5 rebounds. Curtis Jones had 6. That’s embarrassing levels of effort.

On the bigs and rebounding, there's a basketball term for this, I'm forgetting the name (Eustachy did it too), but our intention on defensive rebounding is for the bigs to box out and then the guards go get the ball. This is why, if you look at our player-level rebounding stats on TJ's teams, they are relatively low for the bigs and relatively high for the guards compared to many teams.

The problem I see there in many of our conference games is we're not executing well on the "box out" part. Teams are hitting the offensive glass hard against us (11+ ORBs given up in 7/10 Big 12 games, average of 13.4 ORBs yielded in those seven games). That's a lot of extra possessions and shots for the opponent.

 

[madguy30]

Offensively, yes. But Milan being back isn’t going to fix giving up 80 to a bottom dweller. Even if we were better offensively and turned it over less, we lose because we couldn’t get stops and gave a very ****** effort on the glass.

Chatfield had one rebound in 15 minutes. ONE. How is that even possible? Between Jackson and him, our centers combined for a total of 5 rebounds. Curtis Jones had 6. That’s embarrassing levels of effort.

ISU's rebounding numbers tend to favor the guards as the bigs clear things out. Tre King led with 5ish/game last season but then Lipsey and Gilbert were #2 and #3.

With that said the physicality and urgency hasn't appeared to be there at times, including the guards not running off the ball on the arc., etc.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Offensively, yes. But Milan being back isn’t going to fix giving up 80 to a bottom dweller. Even if we were better offensively and turned it over less, we lose because we couldn’t get stops and gave a very ****** effort on the glass.

Chatfield had one rebound in 15 minutes. ONE. How is that even possible? Between Jackson and him, our centers combined for a total of 5 rebounds. Curtis Jones had 6. That’s embarrassing levels of effort.

I never expected much from Chat on offense but I thought he'd be good for a handful of boards each game but he has totally been non existent

 

[cycloneworld]

ISU's rebounding numbers tend to favor the guards as the bigs clear things out. Tre King led with 5ish/game last season but then Lipsey and Gilbert were #2 and #3.

With that said the physicality and urgency hasn't appeared to be there at times, including the guards not running off the ball on the arc., etc.

Good point. But they aren’t doing that well either apparently. 14 offensive rebounds + 18 turnovers = 32 extra possessions for K-State. No matter how good you are offensively, that’s nearly impossible to overcome. Add in a bad shooting night by everyone not named Lipsey or Jefferson and you get blown out on your home floor by a bottom feeder.