***2022 PGA Tour Thread***

[CyState85]

How long until the Saudis decide to start a league that rivals the NFL? All the upstart football leagues fail because of capital and the inability to attract the top talent. If $1 billion can be thrown at 12 golfers, I’m assuming they could throw $50 billion into a league to rival the NFL.

NIL + LIV = death of sports

 

[jctisu]

Koepka gone per Schefter.

 

[Hoggins]

Bubba is gone, just not announced. And Collin was #11. So 6 of the top 11. Yikes

 

[BigJCy]

Busy golf news morning it appears

 

[Gunnerclone]

Busy golf news morning it appears

LAME

 

[Hoggins]

Busy golf news morning it appears

Good. Faldo is not good.

 

[Clonefan32]

Morikawa is a big deal. To date, everyone whose left has fit the mold of insufferable curmudgeon. But Morikawa, to me at least, seemed like the exact kind of guy that LIV wouldn't be able to sway. Young, making tons of money and interested in creating a legacy, or so it seemed. Guess he's instead content to take the money and beat up on a bunch of old guys in the occasional exhibition. To each their own, I guess.

 

[isutrevman]

Good for the players to cash stupid money but 100% agree. When you make 90%+ of your money by showing up, it’s not really a competition. Exhibition is definitely the right word. At least we’ll have 3 majors to see everyone come together again.

Football, basketball, soccer, baseball, hockey aren't competition? Most pro sports are structured that way. The only ones that aren't are golf and tennis?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Good. Faldo is not good.

I like him. I like Immelman too, but I enjoy Nick's insights

 

[isutrevman]

Morikawa is a big deal. To date, everyone whose left has fit the mold of insufferable curmudgeon. But Morikawa, to me at least, seemed like the exact kind of guy that LIV wouldn't be able to sway. Young, making tons of money and interested in creating a legacy, or so it seemed. Guess he's instead content to take the money and beat up on a bunch of old guys in the occasional exhibition. To each their own, I guess.

Why the hate? If someone offered you 3-4X what you're making now, and you can work half as much you wouldn't take it?

The LIV tour isn't "a bunch of old guys". If they have Morikawa, DJ and Koepka, that's 3 top10 players in the world. Who knows who else they'll get.

They can still play in 3 of the majors too. That's a lot to pass up.

It's a joke the PGA is banning LIV players from playing PGA events. They don't do this for any other tour do they? As far as I know Korn Ferry, Champions tour, European Tour, Asian Tour players are all allowed to play on the PGA if they qualify or get exemptions. The PGA is just butt hurt that players are choosing someone else over them for once.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

Football, basketball, soccer, baseball, hockey aren't competition? Most pro sports are structured that way. The only ones that aren't are golf and tennis?

Don't bring facts into this emotional argument

 

[Hoggins]

Why the hate? If someone offered you 3-4X what you're making now, and you can work half as much you wouldn't take it?

The LIV tour isn't "a bunch of old guys". If they have Morikawa, DJ and Koepka, that's 3 top10 players in the world. Who knows who else they'll get.

They can still play in 3 of the majors too. That's a lot to pass up.

It's a joke the PGA is banning LIV players from playing PGA events. They don't do this for any other tour do they? As far as I know Korn Ferry, Champions tour, European Tour, Asian Tour players are all allowed to play on the PGA if they qualify or get exemptions. The PGA is just butt hurt that players are choosing someone else over them for once.

Those other tours are owned by the PGA and they use them as minor leagues and feeders. Only the Asian tour is not as that was recently bought by the Saudis.

 

[Clonefan32]

Why the hate? If someone offered you 3-4X what you're making now, and you can work half as much you wouldn't take it?

The LIV tour isn't "a bunch of old guys". If they have Morikawa, DJ and Koepka, that's 3 top10 players in the world. Who knows who else they'll get.

They can still play in 3 of the majors too. That's a lot to pass up.

It's a joke the PGA is banning LIV players from playing PGA events. They don't do this for any other tour do they? As far as I know Korn Ferry, Champions tour, European Tour, Asian Tour players are all allowed to play on the PGA if they qualify or get exemptions. The PGA is just butt hurt that players are choosing someone else over them for once.

No hate, really. Do what you want and go take the money. But there's no denying it's an inferior product, especially now. Hell Charl Schwartzel won last week. The highest finishing LIV player in the US Open was DJ at 24th and other than him the rest posted truly horrible scores. Even citing DJ and Koepka is misleading as they are both far from the form they once had.

Scheffler goes on the run he's been on and it's historic. Beating loaded fields in PGA events and winning or top 5s in majors, etc. If Morikawa manages to stave off Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter to string together a few LIV wins, does that mean anything in terms of legacy or his place in the golf hierarchy? To me it doesn't.

I don't blame anyone for taking the money, but call a spade a spade. They're signing up to play in exhibitions against a very weak field. And if a young golfer thinks they can build their legacy off that, then great.

 

[Clonefan32]

Football, basketball, soccer, baseball, hockey aren't competition? Most pro sports are structured that way. The only ones that aren't are golf and tennis?

I do think this is probably the best pro-LIV argument out there. Most sports you get a contract that's largely guaranteed. Kyrie Irving still makes all his money when he sits on the sideline. I can understand the appeal of a guaranteed payday when basically every other sports star is afforded that.

 

[Gunnerclone]

No hate, really. Do what you want and go take the money. But there's no denying it's an inferior product, especially now. Hell Charl Schwartzel won last week. The highest finishing LIV player in the US Open was DJ at 24th and other than him the rest posted truly horrible scores. Even citing DJ and Koepka is misleading as they are both far from the form they once had.

I don't blame anyone for taking the money, but call a spade a spade. They're signing up to play in exhibitions against a very weak field. And if a young golfer thinks they can build their legacy off that, then great.

Why is everyone shitting so hard on Charl Schwartzel winning? Isn’t he a past major winner?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Morikawa is a big deal. To date, everyone whose left has fit the mold of insufferable curmudgeon. But Morikawa, to me at least, seemed like the exact kind of guy that LIV wouldn't be able to sway. Young, making tons of money and interested in creating a legacy, or so it seemed. Guess he's instead content to take the money and beat up on a bunch of old guys in the occasional exhibition. To each their own, I guess.

A lot of people say that, I guess I never saw a guy who was driven by legacy. He was always very bland to me and I just never really thought there was a star there. Great golfer for sure, but not someone who was moving the needle for a decade or more.

It is what it is at this point. The Tour just needs to ride this thing out. I don't think they can even do anything about the Saudis buying the European Tour. Jat Monahan was a good fit as a peacetime president, not so much as a wartime one.

 

[Rabbuk]

I do think this is probably the best pro-LIV argument out there. Most sports you get a contract that's largely guaranteed. Kyrie Irving still makes all his money when he sits on the sideline. I can understand the appeal of a guaranteed payday when basically every other sports star is afforded that.

Wasn't part of the argument that they should be able to play in both tours that they're contractors? Seems like kyrie is a very well compensated employee of the nets, and isn't free to play in multiple leagues.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

It's not going to take many more defections for LIV to end up with a sizeable US TV deal. Looking at you Turner...

 

[Tre4ISU]

I do think this is probably the best pro-LIV argument out there. Most sports you get a contract that's largely guaranteed. Kyrie Irving still makes all his money when he sits on the sideline. I can understand the appeal of a guaranteed payday when basically every other sports star is afforded that.

Yeah, I don't blame these guys at all, especially all the ones that have gone to this point. Brooks and Bryson are constantly hurt and aren't long for the game, a bunch of them are taking their last big payday, guys like Ancer are fleeting talents.

I've been pretty clear that I don't really buy into morality arguments as far as professional decisions made by pro athletes because it's this huge tangled web, but it's the only piece that the PGA Tour had to fight LIV. If LIV buys the ET, we are looking at a whole new landscape and the Tour may have to start worrying about their TV deal because it's linked to field strength.

 

[isucy86]

Why the hate? If someone offered you 3-4X what you're making now, and you can work half as much you wouldn't take it?

The LIV tour isn't "a bunch of old guys". If they have Morikawa, DJ and Koepka, that's 3 top10 players in the world. Who knows who else they'll get.

They can still play in 3 of the majors too. That's a lot to pass up.

It's a joke the PGA is banning LIV players from playing PGA events. They don't do this for any other tour do they? As far as I know Korn Ferry, Champions tour, European Tour, Asian Tour players are all allowed to play on the PGA if they qualify or get exemptions. The PGA is just butt hurt that players are choosing someone else over them for once.

LIV wants to be THE competing league for the PGA. So it doesn't seem unreasonable for the PGA to take a very aggressive stance against LIV and banning its players from PGA Events. It would be like you or I working for Coke & Pepsi at the same time and showing up at the respective company on the days we choose. It's not a good option for the PGA to make 20-25 of its Tournaments meaningless- at a status even lower than the John Deere Quad Cities PGA Tournament.

LIV is based on allowing their golfers to simultaneously compete on other tours because they have created a limited play tour with $25M purses each tournament. If the LIV Tour had to support 40+ Tournaments a year, we wouldn't see $25M purses.

IMO the PGA has to hold stance. The reality is there might be 2 competing tournaments and guys pick the Tour that most meets their financial AND family needs. LIV is a World Tour- so guys are going to have to be willing to play in maybe 50%+ of their tournaments overseas.

The PGA should make it clear that any golfers leaving the PGA Tour would need to requalify through the Korn Ferry Tour should they ever decide to come back.