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clonedude

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Dekkers can't be relied upon and, from my view, doesn't exhibit solid leadership on the field. Either you have it or you don't and unfortunately, he doesn't. Time to move on....

So you believe Dekkers is the main issue with the offense then?
 

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Sorry... I just have a hard time believing anyone inside the program right now is concerned about if the starting job will be handed to Dekkers next year, or if he will be in a competition.

I would think that could wait until the offseason to discuss..... there might be more important things to be discussing right now. But the way this team has looked offensively and on special teams this season.... maybe you're right that they're already looking to next year.
I have not heard anything about HD vs JJK or anything like that at this point. The guys just aren't in a place to be thinking that far ahead with so many unknowns with NIL, momentum into the offseason, recruiting, transfers, etc.

If there is any consensus, a lot of what I've heard has been around "why aren't we getting our guys in the positions needed to be successful" rather than anything about individual player's roles at this point. The sentiment seems to be more that we aren't adapting to what our talent can support more than anything about next year.
 

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Dekkers not being a running threat is also a reason our running game is struggling. Defense doesn’t have to take him serious that he will keep it and the few times he does, it shows why he’s probably told to just hand it off, he doesn’t have a good nose for running. He also is a turnover machine.
Could it be the staff doesn't want him running because they are afraid of injuries?
When he's ran smart, he's done quite well actually.
 

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It’ll be Dekkers but hopefully with a shorter leash and the backups or Kohl is ready for the big time.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Could it be the staff doesn't want him running because they are afraid of injuries?
When he's ran smart, he's done quite well actually.
Going into Stillwater we were 4-5. Run him, what have you got to lose? It’s end of the year, you gotta play Rocco, you play him. The IC kid is hurt so I guess the JUCO kid would be Rocco’s backup.
 

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Going into Stillwater we were 4-5. Run him, what have you got to lose? It’s end of the year, you gotta play Rocco, you play him. The IC kid is hurt so I guess the JUCO kid would be Rocco’s backup.

Cook is hurt?
 

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Going into Stillwater we were 4-5. Run him, what have you got to lose? It’s end of the year, you gotta play Rocco, you play him. The IC kid is hurt so I guess the JUCO kid would be Rocco’s backup.
My perspective of Dekkers is a bit different. I haven't seen the decision-making at the mesh point or foot speed that warrant Dekkers getting a high volume of carries.

IMO if our backs aren't getting yards, the better option would be reverses, jet sweeps, screen passes or passes to rb's in the flat.

I am more surprised we haven't seen true freshman like Gaines, etc get some snaps. With 3 games left, it would seem like guys could get game reps w/o burning their redshirt
 

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Not exactly sure.
My perspective of Dekkers is a bit different. I haven't seen the decision-making at the mesh point or foot speed that warrant Dekkers getting a high volume of carries.

IMO if our backs aren't getting yards, the better option would be reverses, jet sweeps, screen passes or passes to rb's in the flat.

I am more surprised we haven't seen true freshman like Gaines, etc get some snaps. With 3 games left, it would seem like guys could get game reps w/o burning their redshirt
I’m not saying run a lot, just enough to make the DE have to pause and consider it. 5-6 times would probably do that.
 
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Dekkers can't be relied upon and, from my view, doesn't exhibit solid leadership on the field. Either you have it or you don't and unfortunately, he doesn't. Time to move on....

I 100% believe we can win with Dekkers. But not without a running game and some WRs that will get open and catch the ball. They need to revise the scheme and hit the portal hard at OL, WR, TE. Putting Becht or Kohl in there next year is not going to change anything if the pieces around them and the scheme isn't better.
 

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The problem goes so far beyond Dekkers.

Then you lose Hutchinson and Downing prior to next year. That is not a great situation. They’re basically starting from scratch at WR next year. And although they return 4 starting OL, none of them are any good.
May sound harsh but I don't think Downing is a big loss. It seems every run play he's shoved back 8 feet behind the line of scrimmage.

I'm actually thinking Hunter Deyo (former 4 star) provides an immediate upgrade at center. His upside is very high.

For Dekkers I think he should be QB1 in spring camp but he will have to earn it.
 

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I’m not saying run a lot, just enough to make the DE have to pause and consider it. 5-6 times would probably do that.
HD best run option is when nobody is open but he sees 15 yards of green in front of him and takes off. Think Elway, not RG3.

Designed runs for him have had about 5% success rate. In fairness though, ALL designed runs this year have had about a 5% success rate.
 

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May sound harsh but I don't think Downing is a big loss. It seems every run play he's shoved back 8 feet behind the line of scrimmage.

I'm actually thinking Hunter Deyo (former 4 star) provides an immediate upgrade at center. His upside is very high.

For Dekkers I think he should be QB1 in spring camp but he will have to earn it.

IT WAS THE SAME WITH NEWELL LAST YEAR.
Somrthing is very wrong with what they are doing with our OL guys. Scheme, bad practice methods, development, SOMETHING is very wrong. Guys get worse.

Agree on Dekkers. He wlll have to earn it, but he is in the best spot, and anything like a close competition he will win.
 

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IT WAS THE SAME WITH NEWELL LAST YEAR.
Somrthing is very wrong with what they are doing with our OL guys. Scheme, bad practice methods, development, SOMETHING is very wrong. Guys get worse.

Agree on Dekkers. He wlll have to earn it, but he is in the best spot, and anything like a close competition he will win.

Simmons and Miller have definitely regressed.
 

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Get Dekkers a run game/OL to help him and WRs that are more than just good at intermediate routes. That will cure a lot. He threw three long beautiful game winning passes and they were all dropped (Hutchinson - Texas, Hutchinson - KSU, Noel - Okie St)

He was simply asked to do too much this season. (Out of necessity) just hope it doesn't stunt his growth/confidence.
 

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I'm sorry if this thought has been posted already.
Dekkers is extremely talented. I question how much coaching he is getting. Purdy had great weapons around him his time here at RB, WR, and TE- Dekkers has Hutchinson, period.
A quality OL coach and OL take pressure off young QB's with running the ball, something Dekkers hasn't had yet. An offensive system that has more creativity can cause doubt in defenses- even for a second- and create throwing lanes for him. (That and not dropping wide open TD passes will help).
 

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I 100% believe we can win with Dekkers. But not without a running game and some WRs that will get open and catch the ball. They need to revise the scheme and hit the portal hard at OL, WR, TE, and O Coaches. Putting Becht or Kohl in there next year is not going to change anything if the pieces around them and the scheme isn't better. Agreed.
Modified slightly.