8 year-old assaulted on bus. Advice plz.

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He was seated on the inside window seat. The offender was seated on the inside window seat in the row directly in front of him.

My son had his arm resting on that space between the bench in front of him and the window. The 16 year old grabbed it and snapped his wrist toward him. The bench of the seat acted as a fulcrum and it snapped.

This is what my son told us and was corroborated by the juvenile witnesses who asked. We contacted the parents of the kids who saw it, asked if they would be willing to let their kids share what they saw (they all agreed) and relayed their names to the police and the school. These witnesses included the 8 year old girl seated next to my son and the teenage boy seated next to the offender.

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Ahhh yeah that would do it. You would almost need some sort of metal/stiff fulcrum. Damn, again super sorry this happened.
 
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He was seated on the inside window seat. The offender was seated on the inside window seat in the row directly in front of him.

My son had his arm resting in/on that space between the bench in front of him and the window. His hand was extended into the seating area of the bench in front of him. The 16 year old grabbed it and snapped his wrist toward him. The bench of the seat acted as a fulcrum and it snapped. Why he did it is unclear, and I don't think it really matters especially given the age disparity and the resulting unnecessary violent act. It was a senseless and ruthlessly violent assault on a helpless little child by a much older kid who should never even think to do something like that. Period.

This is what my son told us and was corroborated by the juvenile witnesses who asked. We contacted the parents of the kids who saw it, asked if they would be willing to let their kids share what they saw (they all agreed) and relayed their names to the police and the school. These witnesses included the 8 year old girl seated next to my son and the teenage boy seated next to the offender.

Thank you for asking!
I find it crazy that the statement of the plaintiff and multiple minor witnesses do not counter one minor defendant's testimony and the comments of an adult driver who was concentrating on operating the bus at the time. There has to be more there like other witnesses (friends of the 16 year old?) who support his story for the prosecutor to have cold feet.
 

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I find it crazy that the statement of the plaintiff and multiple minor witnesses do not counter one minor defendant's testimony and the comments of an adult driver who was concentrating on operating the bus at the time. There has to be more there like other witnesses (friends of the 16 year old?) who support his story for the prosecutor to have cold feet.
Well from what I understand not many 16 year olds these days ride buses in general. I wouldn't have been caught dead in one. Can't say I know of any classmates still riding the bus at 16. And my parents never would have subjected me to that type of humiliation. Maybe that's just me. They give school permits out to any kid that passes driver's Ed.

Usually at least their parent or older sibling would bring them at that age, or a friend his age with his own darn license and car. I don't say this lightly, I understand some people are dealt a bad hand. But you have to be a uniquely poorly-adjusted individual not to adapt the best you can in some productive way to fit in and thrive as best you can and have a somewhat normal teenage experience. I mean, you just have to. Even the "outcasts" usually have friends. I had girlfriends give me rides when i didnt have a car in HS, and I'm not Brad Pitt or anything. Something is off here.

So I'd imagine this kid has uniquely neglectful and selfish parents who don't really give a F about their kids' feelings, social life, or general well-being. I understand kids like these are usually not made in a vacuum and I'm sure there's a lot beyond his control. But nope, line was crossed. I don't feel I owe him any grace on this one.
 
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IMO most local police aren't good at their jobs and lazy.
It’s like most things, teachers, other professionals, there are really good amazing ones but definitely have many crappy ones that do damage and get more run and pub.
 
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Well from what I understand not many 16 year olds these days ride buses in general. I wouldn't have been caught dead in one. Can't say I know of any classmates still riding the bus at 16. And my parents never would have subjected me to that type of humiliation. Maybe that's just me. They give school permits out to any kid that passes driver's Ed.

Usually at least their parent or older sibling would bring them at that age, or a friend his age with his own darn license and car. I don't say this lightly, I understand some people are dealt a bad hand. But you have to be a uniquely poorly-adjusted individual not to adapt the best you can in some productive way to fit in and thrive as best you can and have a somewhat normal teenage experience. I mean, you just have to. Even the "outcasts" usually have friends. I had girlfriends give me rides when i didnt have a car in HS, and I'm not Brad Pitt or anything. Something is off here.

So I'd imagine this kid has uniquely neglectful and selfish parents who don't really give a F about their kids' feelings, social life, or general well-being. I understand kids like these are usually not made in a vacuum and I'm sure there's a lot beyond his control. But nope, line was crossed. I don't feel I owe him any grace on this one.
Not suggesting any grace be offered at all. I'm just having a hard time fathoming how charges aren't filed with that many witness willing to come forward. Unless there is simply no willingness to do the job, I can't see that there isn't some part of the picture none of us can see. A complete fracture of both bones in the forearm is more than just a minor injury.
 
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Every child does have a right to an education, even the ones causing a disturbance. The schools have channels to educate these students differently. The problem is are we funding those channels. When a school is told to educate all these kids by law, and the government says but we will only fund it 50% of the way. The school has to figure it out. I am not an apologist, but will acknowledge that it is difficult.

Also, kids get expelled all the time. More than not it is the kid who is in special needs, because he is seen as the problem.

Actually, rules now have made it REALLY HARD for schools to expel special needs kids (IEPs, etc.). So schools are in a tough spot.
 

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The line is being disruptive of the education and well being of others (including teachers). As to the latter, all the system should afford you is the right to an opportunity for an education. If you blow it due to your behavior (whether it's one severe incident or repeated incidents that lead to permanent expulsion), the most I would grant them is the opportunity to learn remotely.

The problem is we live in a society and it benefits us all to see them educated and well adjusted to the best of our abilities. The other route is far more costly in the end.
 

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I want to keep the initial post as short as possible. Follow up questions are welcome and appreciated. I need help.

Back in April, our 8 year old son walked into the daycare with a clearly visibly broken arm. The other daycare kids rushed in to tell the employees (My wife being one) that a 16 year old kid intentionally broke our son's arm. (Not only did several kids of all ages claim to witness it, the kid even bragged to another one of the teenagers on the bus.)

We got the police involved, and it was investigated over the course of several weeks. We were assured by the officer that although the other family was trying to stall and shift blame, and that when the kid finally spoke with them he was trying to lie and say my son was on top of him wrestling him in a harassing manner and my sons arm was broken accidently on his own by falling back somehow, everything seemed pretty cut and dry, and the kid would likely be expelled, kicked off the bus, and juvenile court would handle it criminally.

Fast forward to yesterday (Aug 12) my lawyer informs me that not only did the CA decline to charge due to lack of evidence, but the school insurance was unsure if they even needed to grant the claim because the statement given to the police by the bus driver was different than what she had initially given to my wife at the scene of the accident and the statement she gave insurance company themselves.

Why don't we check the bus footage? Well because the camera was down. But don't worry, the school fixed it after the incident so that won't be a problem. The kid still gets to ride the bus because that's his right and they can't take that away from him. Oh and he assaulted another kid at school after his 15 day suspension they gave him for hurting our son, and he is going to be prosecuted for that one.
I don’t know who told you that riding the school bus is a right and they can’t take that away. The school most certainly suspend him from the bus. They are gutless.
 
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