8 year-old assaulted on bus. Advice plz.

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Coming from a former teacher with spouse and other family who are teachers, unless a weapon is involved, expelling is not usually possible.
In our school district if a student is dangerous to other students and he has an IEP, generallly, they arrange special transportation for the IEP student. It is rare, but has happened.
 

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The problem is we live in a society and it benefits us all to see them educated and well adjusted to the best of our abilities. The other route is far more costly in the end.
So we diminish the education of a bunch of students to perhaps benefit someone who is disruptive? I know what you mean by the other route, and obviously I don't want that either, but if the child is harming others, the other route is the most likely scenario. Alternative means of educating that child should come into play after some level of misdeed.
 

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The problem is we live in a society and it benefits us all to see them educated and well adjusted to the best of our abilities. The other route is far more costly in the end.

Unfortunately things have unraveled so far that we're really not able to attempt to get to this part.

This stuff is getting me all riled up and beginning of the year Blame the Teachers meetings haven't even started haha.
 

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Why is an 8 year old on same bus as 16 year old? That never happened when I was in school.

There were occasional high schoolers on my bus when I was in elementary school.

They just kind of sat there in the back and didn't break 3rd graders' arms so I didn't think much of it.
 

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So we diminish the education of a bunch of students to perhaps benefit someone who is disruptive? I know what you mean by the other route, and obviously I don't want that either, but if the child is harming others, the other route is the most likely scenario. Alternative means of educating that child should come into play after some level of misdeed.
Not at all. We fund it so the students on the wrong path can get the resources they need to allow all the students a safe learning environment. This particular situation, alternative transportation and an adult minder of some kind at school seem warranted. I imagine this isn't a district flush with cash though. I do wonder if the teen has an iep. No idea if the school can force that. Parents seem like the type to not get one.
 

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Not at all. We fund it so the students on the wrong path can get the resources they need to allow all the students a safe learning environment. This particular situation, alternative transportation and an adult minder of some kind at school seem warranted. I imagine this isn't a district flush with cash though. I do wonder if the teen has an iep. No idea if the school can force that. Parents seem like the type to not get one.

What if I told you...
 

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Actually, rules now have made it REALLY HARD for schools to expel special needs kids (IEPs, etc.). So schools are in a tough spot.
So far there is no proof this kid is special needs, he is just a juvenile delinquent that that is headed toward jail time after he turns 18 if he doesn't get his sh*t together. It would be better for him to face consequences now than after he is 18.

If I misinterpreted your statement I apologize in advance.
 

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After hearing more information about how the 8 year olds arm was broken I feel like I need to change my stance about needing to kick the dad's ass.

What needs to be done is you need to head to the automotive shop at whatever high school the 16 year old potential serial killer attends. You will find the rednecks there. Offer O'Reilly's gift cards to whoever can get into his locker and fill it completely with manure. They will figure it out, O'Reilly's gift cards are like crack to rednecks.
 

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So far there is no proof this kid is special needs, he is just a juvenile delinquent that that is headed toward jail time after he turns 18 if he doesn't get his sh*t together. It would be better for him to face consequences now than after he is 18.

If I misinterpreted your statement I apologize in advance.

Something needs to be done for accountability for a kid that does this sort of thing to protect the safety of everyone else involved. Something concrete and meaningful.

The sad truth is a suspension or expulsion may not do much good since they go right back to the source of what got them here.

Heck even the kids that were in and out from when I was in school (90's) didn't get on the right path after being disciplined. In some cases they got exactly what they wanted and just found other ways to direct their behavioral patterns. Most if not all have been in and out of jail since.
 

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Not exactly sure.
Not at all. We fund it so the students on the wrong path can get the resources they need to allow all the students a safe learning environment. This particular situation, alternative transportation and an adult minder of some kind at school seem warranted. I imagine this isn't a district flush with cash though. I do wonder if the teen has an iep. No idea if the school can force that. Parents seem like the type to not get one.
You are talking a chauffeur to take him to and back to school and then someone to follow him around school at all times since he injured a girl during school. I would put pretty big odds that having a shadow on him would get the parents riled up and then they would threaten a lawsuit and be mad he has a chaperone at all times. If it was allowed, you are now talking one on one attention for one student. Probably roughly 30-40k or more to follow that kid around. That comes from the districts budget.
 

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You are talking a chauffeur to take him to and back to school and then someone to follow him around school at all times since he injured a girl during school. I would put pretty big odds that having a shadow on him would get the parents riled up and then they would threaten a lawsuit and be mad he has a chaperone at all times. If it was allowed, you are now talking one on one attention for one student. Probably roughly 30-40k or more to follow that kid around. That comes from the districts budget.

Kids in our district on ieps with higher needs have part and full day helpers. It's more expensive to pay for someone in and out of jail committing crimes. I understand districts being financially strained, this problem is bigger picture.
 

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You are talking a chauffeur to take him to and back to school and then someone to follow him around school at all times since he injured a girl during school. I would put pretty big odds that having a shadow on him would get the parents riled up and then they would threaten a lawsuit and be mad he has a chaperone at all times. If it was allowed, you are now talking one on one attention for one student. Probably roughly 30-40k or more to follow that kid around. That comes from the districts budget.

Yep, it's another position for them to hire along with logistics.

There's a possibility they could provide those services but then who's going to run the meaningless unnecessary committee at the district office?
 
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Yep, it's another position for them to hire along with logistics.

There's a possibility they could provide those services but then who's going to run the meaningless unnecessary committee at the district office?
Or spend time drafting bitchy emails to involved community members looking for accountability. Takes a lot of time on PR when you're in the news twice a school year for yet another racially charged incident.
 

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So far there is no proof this kid is special needs, he is just a juvenile delinquent that that is headed toward jail time after he turns 18 if he doesn't get his sh*t together. It would be better for him to face consequences now than after he is 18.

If I misinterpreted your statement I apologize in advance.
I agree. I was responding to someone saying basically schools can expel anyone they want easily, and that is definitely NOT the case.
 
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