Advice for quitting drinking for a month

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And it says that in that law...where?

It doesn't say "Controlled substance list", it says "Controlled substance." That is incredibly, and I'm sure intentionally, vague. If you need a prescription for any medication, that medication is a "controlled substance".

I wouldn't put it past a prosecutor to try and press charges under that law either. I'm reminded of the time a DA tried to get a DUI on an individual because of "excessive caffeine."

4. “Controlled substance” means any drug, substance, or compound that is listed in section 124.204 or 124.206, or any metabolite or derivative of the drug, substance, or compound.

Iowa Code Ann. § 321J.1 (West)

Not vague at all if one cares to actually read the definitions.

As to the rest, I'm not here to debate appropriate policy--just to provide the actual laws on the books as written. Too many posters run around here assuming that the law is whatever they think it should be. It is not.

If you are outraged, then talk to your legislators.
 
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As to the rest, I'm not here to debate appropriate policy--just to provide the actual laws on the books as written. Too many posters run around here assuming that the law is whatever they think it should be. It is not.

Thank you, this particular statement is a much more succinct writing of what I’ve been trying to communicate.
 
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4. “Controlled substance” means any drug, substance, or compound that is listed in section 124.204 or 124.206, or any metabolite or derivative of the drug, substance, or compound.

Iowa Code Ann. § 321J.1 (West)

Not vague at all if one cares to actually read the definitions.

As to the rest, I'm not here to debate appropriate policy--just to provide the actual laws on the books as written. Too many posters run around here assuming that the law is whatever they think it should be. It is not.

If you are outraged, then talk to your legislators. I do, as I've been quite upset with many recent pieces of legislation that the Iowa legislature "enacted".

If a prosecutor wants to put a DUI charge on you and they have nothing to go on, they will make something up. After all, the worst case for them is a dismissal, so they will attempt to throw anything against the wall to see if it will stick.
 
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As in if you are in a wreck. Your fault or not. And they can often issue a warrant for a blood test as a result. If that blood test comes back positive for something you took 4 days ago, you’re going to be charged whether or no you are actually impaired. No matter how you slice or condition the issue, it is a real risk that has real consequences.

Forgive me if I am trying to show transparency here to the readers.
I’m not disagreeing with that as a possibility or the legal argument you are making either.

But when your example relies on multiple fairly unlikely things, like being in a car accident, and then having an officer submit a warrant for a blood/urine sample, then for a prosecutor to choose to charge that, it’s just a stretch. You’re not wrong and I’m sure that has happened to people but it’s just going to the extreme negative possibility. Fair to bring but but again that’s the most extreme outcome that requires a lot of other very specific things to happen first.
 

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Very charitable view you have of prosecutors. Has your friend Donald been talking to you again?

Why I'm glad you asked. I did talk to my friend Donald today.

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He wanted me to remind you that this isn't the Cave.

Oh, and thoughts and prayers on your chronic TDS. :D
 

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Welp, found the dumbest thing written on the internet today.

And yet what I said has already happened in reality. A DA charging a DUI for "Excessive caffeine" is laughably bad and reeks of a desperate DA trying to make a charge stick.
 

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Not triggered. Your actions altered my initial approach to your dumb statements . I attempted education and you then Ricied me, so I gave you what you understand.

We are good so far as I am concerned. Watch out for prosecutors!! There is probably one outside your window ready to pounce.

You marked 5 different posts "dumb" in less than 60 seconds and you tell me you AREN'T triggered?

LMAO
 

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Through my youth at home, my father kept bottles in a closet at work and would have a “Saluki” late afternoon after most everyone had left. Then he would often attend dinner meetings that carried over into drinking sessions, often not getting home until 8:30 or 9:00 p.m. He attempted to control my mom’s drinking by putting marks on the bottle of booze in the kitchen cabinet, and warning her about alcoholism in her family. He kept the bigger supply in a locked basement bar/closet. As a kid, I had no idea how impactful his/their drinking was on our family life and me. I just knew that things were often not on an even keel.

As a young adult, I maintained the family tradition, beginning with a celebratory case of some beer at the football field with hs athlete friends the first warm weekend after senior year basketball season. Then I bartended through my years at ISU and continued to drink heavily for a couple of decades after, subsequently became a bing drinker for almost 20 more years. During college I once crashed in the early evening in the basement storeroom on a pallet of broken down cardboard boxes in the bar where I worked, then woke up in time for a nightcap before driving home. Another time while driving home to the farmhouse where I was livingI leaned against a poorly latched driver side door in the old pick up I was driving and fell out. I landed on my upper back, sprung up feeling immediately sober with the adrenaline, and reacquired the pick up, which had gone perpendicular to the road and ran down through a shallow ditch only to stall on a grassy patch. Luckily there was no fence. If I believed in angels, I would say I have benefited from having a good one on my shoulder at times when I needed all the grace I could receive.

Currently I have a dusty home bar filled with only top shelf liquors and ample stores of wine kept in built-in EuroCave refrigerators. However, I seldom pour/mix a drink, and although we open a bottle or two of wine a week, more often than not I pour the last part of the bottle down the drain after too many days kept in the refrigerator.

I attribute my remaining above ground and improved drinking/drugging habits to a solid marriage of over 30 years to a strong, compassionate, loving, empathetic and patient woman who only drinks in moderation. I’m very aware of my (probably genetic) disposition to drink/drug excessively, but by this late date, I seem to have it under control (with occasional relapses related to eunnui, anxiety or bouts of depression). A brother died a few years ago, too early, significantly IMO as a consequence of lifelong heavy alcohol use. Another sibling quit cold turkey decades ago and seems to be living a healthy and productive life.

I tell this tale to relate that there is hope for recovery, sobriety or a close anpproximation and a good life, even for the most incorrigible among us. Go Cyclones!
I appreciate your bravery in sharing your personal experiences.
 

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I’m not disagreeing with that as a possibility or the legal argument you are making either.

But when your example relies on multiple fairly unlikely things, like being in a car accident, and then having an officer submit a warrant for a blood/urine sample, then for a prosecutor to choose to charge that, it’s just a stretch. You’re not wrong and I’m sure that has happened to people but it’s just going to the extreme negative possibility. Fair to bring but but again that’s the most extreme outcome that requires a lot of other very specific things to happen first.
I know of two examples in my personal life where this “stretch” has occurred. IF that blood test is warranted AND comes back positive, you can all but guarantee a criminal charge.

If one is prepared to take such risks, that is fine by me and is their prerogative. But that doesn’t mean the risk is imagined or can be dismissed.
 
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Day 3 or day 4 however you want to say it.

Stomach is getting a bit better now, don't have as much of the "burning" sensation anymore.
I still find myself getting a 2nd wind towards 9-10 pm, when I would have my nightcap, so I just go to bed an hour later than I used to, which is fine.

I feel pretty mellow, a little tired, due to losing an hour or so of sleep every night, but otherwise pretty good!

Again, I want to reiterate that I wasn't even a binge drinker, I just drank 2-2.5 standard drinks a night for years. Didn't think I had a problem since I wasn't binging and was drinking responsibly.

Just goes to show you the toll it takes on your body.
 

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If a prosecutor wants to put a DUI charge on you and they have nothing to go on, they will make something up. After all, the worst case for them is a dismissal, so they will attempt to throw anything against the wall to see if it will stick.
Tell me you know nothing about this process without telling me you know nothing about this process.
 

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Tell me you know nothing about this process without telling me you know nothing about this process.

Any DA who has brought charges against an individual, fears an outright dismissal of those charges in court. It is the worst possible outcome for them in trial. They don't want the egg on their face.

But hey feel free to believe whatever you want to. :)
 

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Any DA who has brought charges against an individual, fears an outright dismissal of those charges in court. It is the worst possible outcome for them in trial. They don't want the egg on their face.

But hey feel free to believe whatever you want to. :)
Dismissals happen every day, and it's not that big of a deal. Usually what it means is that the investigation lead to some kind of new information that exonerates the original accused, or some kind of police error was uncovered in the process.

Neither of these things is egg on the DA's face to people who understand the process.

There is almost always continued investigation after charges are originally filed, and if the DA can see that the charge isn't going to hold up in court, they're often better off dismissing it, than trying a case they know they will lose.
 
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