Anyone notice Iowa's going after another one of our commits?

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Have you actually looked at recruiting the last two years? You are completely wrong. We finished #30 in the team rankings last year, and this year alone we already have 2 four stars. Just because you beat us in triple OT this year, doesn't mean we are stagnant and you guys are on the rise. It means that you are better this year.

This is easy hawkadoodoo - Iowa is ranked 30th last year and nearly every year because they get quality talent to come to Iowa City - Period. The three biggest draws for Iowa football - 1. Iowa City 2. Zero coaching discipline 3. They put out a lot of very good to great pros.

Its simple, if your a 4* OL and want to go to the NFL and have a chance to play at Iowa or Wisconsin, you can bet its a good sign you will be drafted or invited to a camp.

However, there is case history even at Iowa that teams become stagnant, they recede in progression and ultimately free fall. No college is immune to it, if it can happen at schools like USC, Norte Dame, Ohio State and Miami, it can and will happen at Iowa too. Be careful with putting your beloved Hawkeyes too high on a pedestal. This new and improved Hawkeye passing attack is creating a new problem for hawkeye fans....a tired defense.....

Guess what - next loss this saturday when Persa runs his magic AGAIN over them.....

 

[Bigman38]

Gross.



False.

And if by stagnant, you mean "staying at a competitive level, and every once in a while competing for Big Ten titles and BCS bowls", you are absolutely correct. And I'm OK with that.

No fanbase is happy with stagnant.

 

[DJK15]

Sweet, but where are these players at?

About half of that class has burnt their redshirts. Ferentz's last 2 classes have been stellar and the kids are seeing the field early.

 

[SplitIdentity]

No fanbase is happy with stagnant.

I was trying to give a non-definition of stagnant to prove my point.

No, nobody is happy with stagnant. I disagree that Iowa is stagnant to begin with.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Let's not get into a CyHawk wizzing match here folks.

Iowa has had good recent recruiting.

Iowa going after Bevins means that ISU identified him early after a camp and Iowa waited until they saw some senior tape on the kid. It doesn't mean that Iowa is letting ISU do their homework for them. Iowa hasn't gotten to the level they are at by doing that.

All it means is that CPR and staff were very smart to offer the kid early. I hope he sticks it out.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I was trying to give a non-definition of stagnant to prove my point.

No, nobody is happy with stagnant. I disagree that Iowa is stagnant to begin with.

Yes, a down year doesn't mean Iowa is stagnant. If they have a few bad years in a row, then you reevaluate.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

About half of that class has burnt their redshirts. Ferentz's last 2 classes have been stellar and the kids are seeing the field early.

Still does not explain the amount of walk-ons

 

[hawkadoodledoo]

Sweet, but where are these players at? They sure as hell aren't on the depth chart. Iowa has 10 walk-ons on the 2 deep, you can brag all you want but where are these recruits ending up? Transferring? Getting beat out? Hospital beds? Where? No Hawk fan can answer that, but if I am a Hawk fan it would worry the hell out of me, you don't win in college football with an insane number of walk-ons. You can recruit until you are blue in the face but if they don't get on the field what good are they?

Seriously? Well, the 2 four stars I listed are still in highschool, while the #30 ranked class has had 1/3 of it already play this year, including Mccall who was our backup RB before breaking his ankle, and Alston who is our backup LB, while the rest are redshirting. So interpreting what you are trying to say, I'm getting that because these freshman aren't playing right now, there's something wrong?

So I'll explain it to you, since you say no hawk fan can explain it to you.
White, RB, on the two deeps as backup RB, but isn't the backup RB, just on the two deeps. Canzeri, Bullock, and Johnson will all see the field before him.
Meyers, FB, on the two deeps because of an injury to Rogers. Rarely plays. Rogers came back for the first time last week, and this will push Meyers to 3rd string.

Derby, TE, on the two deeps and part time starter because our big TE recruits CJ, and Herman have played poorly so far in their careers.

Tobin, LG, on the two deeps and rotating with a freshman Sherff because of an injury to Macmillan. Will be backup or 3rd string hopefully starting next week as Macmillan is finally going to be back.

Orne, backup RG, on the two deeps after walking on from South Dakota State.

Forgy Juco walk on, backup DE, sees little action.

Nardo, DT, starter.

Donatell, listed as backup LB, does not play. Listed on 2 deeps because Bruce Davis just left the team as he wasn't recovering well from knee surgery.

Sleeper, backup Safety, doesn't play.

Miller, starting safety because of an injury to Lower, forcing Hyde back to CB.


So in summary, Nardo, Miller, and Tobin are all starting after having walked on. Two because of injuries right before the season started. Just because they are listed on the 2 deeps, doesn't mean they are actually the 2nd stringer, as you can witness by our RB two deeps. The two deeps are strictly for ***** and giggles.

 

[hawkadoodledoo]

This is easy hawkadoodoo - Iowa is ranked 30th last year and nearly every year because they get quality talent to come to Iowa City - Period. The three biggest draws for Iowa football - 1. Iowa City 2. Zero coaching discipline 3. They put out a lot of very good to great pros.

Its simple, if your a 4* OL and want to go to the NFL and have a chance to play at Iowa or Wisconsin, you can bet its a good sign you will be drafted or invited to a camp.

However, there is case history even at Iowa that teams become stagnant, they recede in progression and ultimately free fall. No college is immune to it, if it can happen at schools like USC, Norte Dame, Ohio State and Miami, it can and will happen at Iowa too. Be careful with putting your beloved Hawkeyes too high on a pedestal. This new and improved Hawkeye passing attack is creating a new problem for hawkeye fans....a tired defense.....

Guess what - next loss this saturday when Persa runs his magic AGAIN over them.....

I hope to god Persa misses the flight.

 

[Frak]

I don't know if they are stagnant, but they are definitely rebuilding. Their defense has really fallen off and I don't know how it is supposed to be better next year without Daniels, Binns and Prater. I think that they are trying to get back to the level they were at a few years ago and we'll see if they do it. I sure don't see the talent and speed that they've had recently...maybe those kids are too young, maybe they're just not there.

For recruiting, ISU being a viable choice with a charismatic coach that grew up in Iowa definitely hurts UI. In-state kids are not going for the slow-play anymore. Does that mean that iowa can't swoop in and take commits from ISU? Guess that depends on the kid. Iowa may still be the #1 choice for instate recruits when both schools offer, but I believe that the time of kids waiting until December for that iowa offer to come through rather than committing to ISU are over (of course it's all cyclical).

 

[DJK15]

Still does not explain the amount of walk-ons

Ferentz knocked his last two classes out of the park, absolutely loaded with talent. Unfortunately he had 2 back-to-back HORRIBLE classes before that - you're seeing the effects of that now. Instead of a couple over-achieving walks on, Iowa is RELYING on walk-ons due to lack of talent and attrition rate of a couple poor recruiting classes.

Iowa has a good start to the 2012 class and is still in on several highly rated recruits. If they close out strong, that will make 3 good classes in a row. This year and especially next will be rough, but Iowa will be back.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Seriously? Well, the 2 four stars I listed are still in highschool, while the #30 ranked class has had 1/3 of it already play this year, including Mccall who was our backup RB before breaking his ankle, and Alston who is our backup LB, while the rest are redshirting. So interpreting what you are trying to say, I'm getting that because these freshman aren't playing right now, there's something wrong?

So I'll explain it to you, since you say no hawk fan can explain it to you.
White, RB, on the two deeps as backup RB, but isn't the backup RB, just on the two deeps. Canzeri, Bullock, and Johnson will all see the field before him.
Meyers, FB, on the two deeps because of an injury to Rogers. Rarely plays. Rogers came back for the first time last week, and this will push Meyers to 3rd string.

Derby, TE, on the two deeps and part time starter because our big TE recruits CJ, and Herman have played poorly so far in their careers.

Tobin, LG, on the two deeps and rotating with a freshman Sherff because of an injury to Macmillan. Will be backup or 3rd string hopefully starting next week as Macmillan is finally going to be back.

Orne, backup RG, on the two deeps after walking on from South Dakota State.

Forgy Juco walk on, backup DE, sees little action.

Nardo, DT, starter.

Donatell, listed as backup LB, does not play. Listed on 2 deeps because Bruce Davis just left the team as he wasn't recovering well from knee surgery.

Sleeper, backup Safety, doesn't play.

Miller, starting safety because of an injury to Lower, forcing Hyde back to CB.


So in summary, Nardo, Miller, and Tobin are all starting after having walked on. Two because of injuries right before the season started. Just because they are listed on the 2 deeps, doesn't mean they are actually the 2nd stringer, as you can witness by our RB two deeps. The two deeps are strictly for ***** and giggles.

Thanks for the explanation, I just know I have never seen anything like it. Its a crazy stat and would worry me for sure.

 

[Frak]

Seriously? Well, the 2 four stars I listed are still in highschool, while the #30 ranked class has had 1/3 of it already play this year, including Mccall who was our backup RB before breaking his ankle, and Alston who is our backup LB, while the rest are redshirting. So interpreting what you are trying to say, I'm getting that because these freshman aren't playing right now, there's something wrong?

So I'll explain it to you, since you say no hawk fan can explain it to you.
White, RB, on the two deeps as backup RB, but isn't the backup RB, just on the two deeps. Canzeri, Bullock, and Johnson will all see the field before him.
Meyers, FB, on the two deeps because of an injury to Rogers. Rarely plays. Rogers came back for the first time last week, and this will push Meyers to 3rd string.

Derby, TE, on the two deeps and part time starter because our big TE recruits CJ, and Herman have played poorly so far in their careers.

Tobin, LG, on the two deeps and rotating with a freshman Sherff because of an injury to Macmillan. Will be backup or 3rd string hopefully starting next week as Macmillan is finally going to be back.

Orne, backup RG, on the two deeps after walking on from South Dakota State.

Forgy Juco walk on, backup DE, sees little action.

Nardo, DT, starter.

Donatell, listed as backup LB, does not play. Listed on 2 deeps because Bruce Davis just left the team as he wasn't recovering well from knee surgery.

Sleeper, backup Safety, doesn't play.

Miller, starting safety because of an injury to Lower, forcing Hyde back to CB.


So in summary, Nardo, Miller, and Tobin are all starting after having walked on. Two because of injuries right before the season started. Just because they are listed on the 2 deeps, doesn't mean they are actually the 2nd stringer, as you can witness by our RB two deeps. The two deeps are strictly for ***** and giggles.

Tanner Miller wasn't a walk-on.

 

[BigLame]

2008 class 13/12 split of 3-stars & 2-stars. 3 total from Iowa. Reiff prob best (3-star)
2009 class was 5 3-stars & 2 4-stars rounded out with 2-stars for the remaining 13. Wegher was 1 of those coveted 4 stars. Of the 2 stars, 4 are from Iowa. Best so far from this class - probably Micah Hyde (a 2-star)
2010 class was predominantly 3-stars but with 4 4-stars (3 of which are playing significant minutes this year). Good # of 3-stars playing, too (Morris, Scherff, Kirskey) In all, 5 from Iowa.
2011 class almost identical rating-wise to 2010 class. McCall only 1 playing up to when he was injured.

So, 2008 & 2009 look to be down recruiting classes and it is showing on the field. 2010 & 2011 players having to play due to injuries, players leaving, and basically 2 off years of recruiting. A good walk-on program can be a strength for a program, most notably for depth and also the occasional grand-slam (Dallas Clark).

Normally, walk ons are going to come from the home state. No doubt about it, recruiting Iowa definitely became tougher since Rhoads walked in the door. Iowa will no longer hold such an advantage, especially if ISU is willing to offer much earlier than Iowa.

Where would Iowa be now without their current walk ons - fairing worse or better?

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Just hope Hawk fans aren't looking for a sudden increase in wins next season.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Just hope Hawk fans aren't looking for a sudden increase in wins next season.

I think you look for an increase in wins every year, right? Whether or not you see that is a different question. (and if you win 10 games....I wouldn't look for an increase at any point if my team won 10 games)

 

[cyhiphopp]

Ferentz knocked his last two classes out of the park, absolutely loaded with talent. Unfortunately he had 2 back-to-back HORRIBLE classes before that - you're seeing the effects of that now. Instead of a couple over-achieving walks on, Iowa is RELYING on walk-ons due to lack of talent and attrition rate of a couple poor recruiting classes.

Iowa has a good start to the 2012 class and is still in on several highly rated recruits. If they close out strong, that will make 3 good classes in a row. This year and especially next will be rough, but Iowa will be back.

Serious question, not trolling:

Why were the previous two classes so bad? I don't remember them being too bad stars wise on signing day. Were there a lot of wash outs? Transfers?

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Iowa has it's best results when they are pulling in less 4 stars and more solid 3 stars who seem to buy in. Does Kirk really like playing kids early if he doesn't have to (injuries)? I know there are a lot of 4 star kids that expect to play as freshmen.

 

[hawkadoodledoo]

Just hope Hawk fans aren't looking for a sudden increase in wins next season.

My bad about Tanner Miller, so 9 walkons in the 2 deeps. Why don't you think Iowa fans wouldn't hope for a better year next year? Just curious.
We'll return Vburg, Coker, Mccall, Martin Manley, Davis, CJ/Derby, Reiff(dream), Macmillan, Ferentz, Sherff, Donnal(4 star backup as a freshman to Reiff), and Van Sloten, with two other 4 star's going to be redshirt freshman that were both in the top 10 at their positions last year (Walsh #10, Blythe #7).

On Defense the Dline is a worry because we'll have some unknowns coming in next year, but Alvis, Gaglione, and Bigach will return, and these last 2 recruiting classes were invested heavily in filling those holes with Hardy #37, Trinca Pasat #45, Mcminn #47, Raymon #36, Ferguson #34, Johnson #54 and Cooper #33 all ranked at their positions.

LB's: Morris, Hitchens and Kirksey will all return and will be the strength of our Defense, with Alston backing them up.

Our secondary could be questionable, but Hyde and Miller will return at safeties, as I'm assuming Lowery will be a starting CB for sure as he was this year before injury, letting Hyde switch back. The other CB spot will be up for grabs between Castillo (ugh), Lomax, and Nico Law. All in all, I feel ok about next years team, not a championship team, but a good team no doubt.

Throw in our schedule of playing our first 5 games at home, and our only road games at NW, MSU, Indiana, and Michigan, and I like our chances. 2013 gets hairy adding Wisconsin and OSU again while losing Indiana and Penn State.

 

[hawkadoodledoo]

Serious question, not trolling:

Why were the previous two classes so bad? I don't remember them being too bad stars wise on signing day. Were there a lot of wash outs? Transfers?

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like Iowa has it's best results when they are pulling in less 4 stars and more solid 3 stars who seem to buy in. Does Kirk really like playing kids early if he doesn't have to (injuries)? I know there are a lot of 4 star kids that expect to play as freshmen.

I think alot had to do with Iowa's team on the field in 08 and 09, not a lot of room to come in and play right away. Then you had guys in 08 like Cato, Paine, Blackwell, Staten, Guillory all leave, then the crap with Hampton and Robinson and it added up quickly. 09 our best recruit was Wegher, and we know what happened to him, leaving Davis as the only 4 star in a 2 year period, and I think that's what you're seeing now from this Iowa team.

 

[Max57]

Starting P: Guthrie 5th year walk on.