As if Hoiberg didn't have enough to worry about.....

[jbindm]

I hate the bulls so I am not sad about this. Fred hitched his wagon to the slimy gar Forman, so he shouldn't be surprised that they screwed him over.

I am surprised at how many of you act like everyone should have known he was walking into a ****** situation. No one thought that. I don't blame bulls fans for being pissed. They fired a successful coach and hired the guy who was going to take them to the next level. That team has talent.

Fred is just as much at fault for the problems as gar, Pax, and the players.

(I also stand behind my prediction that he coaches in college again. If only to hold it over everyone if I am right! I don't give a **** how many people he told he hated recruiting. I believe part of that was him lying. I also believe he might realize recruiting isn't as bad as he thought.)

That's just not true. I recall more than a few people openly wonder why Hoiberg was walking into a situation where the team had an aging core and not enough players who fit with his philosophy. The only attractive parts of the job were Jimmy Butler, the money, and the opportunity to work with someone he had an existing relationship with.

 

[CyJack13]

That's just not true. I recall more than a few people openly wonder why Hoiberg was walking into a situation where the team had an aging core and not enough players who fit with his philosophy. The only attractive parts of the job were Jimmy Butler, the money, and the opportunity to work with someone he had an existing relationship with.

Yeah it was really hard to see any upside on the Bulls team he was taking over. Thibs maxed out their regular season record, at the expense of his player's health come playoff time, so Fred wasn't going to improve on that. There really was no path for them to contend with the Cavs in the short term, so best case scenario was somehow sneaking into the conference finals after getting some favorable matchups, which was a very unlikely scenario.

The much more likely potential downside is basically what we're seeing. Even if the Bulls didn't build a backcourt better suited for the mid 80's than today, it was very unlikely that the Bulls would make enough improvements offensively to make up for the inevitable defensive regression that was going to occur when Thibs left.

 

[Dryburn]

I'm afraid Fred will not have any chance of success there unless the management suddenly has a huge change of heart and actually lets their coach have some major input about formulating the roster in the off-season. With this bunch though, there is almost no chance of that happening. He has to make do with what he is given. I'm not sure if Fred knew what he was really getting into with that FO. He should have known, since he knew the parties involved, had played for the franchise and saw how they treated Thibodeau.

I do think Fred has lost control of this team, unfortunately. I haven't been able to watch many of the games, but if Butler and Wade have a point about the other players just not giving their best and not caring......that is a problem for a coach.

 

[jbhtexas]

(I also stand behind my prediction that he coaches in college again. If only to hold it over everyone if I am right! I don't give a **** how many people he told he hated recruiting. I believe part of that was him lying. I also believe he might realize recruiting isn't as bad as he thought.)

Whether or not wanting/not wanting to recruit is a real problem, I think he has bigger problems now. It is starting to seem clear that he doesn't like to stand up to players "on the court". Most of your better ADs know that over time generally that ship generally sails into the reef...

 

[CyJack13]

I'm afraid Fred will not have any chance of success there unless the management suddenly has a huge change of heart and actually lets their coach have some major input about formulating the roster in the off-season. With this bunch though, there is almost no chance of that happening. He has to make do with what he is given. I'm not sure if Fred knew what he was really getting into with that FO. He should have known, since he knew the parties involved, had played for the franchise and saw how they treated Thibodeau.

I do think Fred has lost control of this team, unfortunately. I haven't been able to watch many of the games, but if Butler and Wade have a point about the other players just not giving their best and not caring......that is a problem for a coach.

Even if Fred is given a large input in personnel, I don't really think the Bulls are going to become serious contenders anytime soon. The type of guys Fred wants, athletic guys who can space the floor, are the kind of guys almost every team wants now. Fred's best teams at ISU relied on elite talent, guys like Royce, Kane or Niang, who could get to the hoop and get defenders scrambling, it's really tough to find those guys without having high lottery picks or being a big free agent destination, which Chicago has never been and having an unproven coach wouldn't help that either.

 

[Tornado man]

Bulls fans are like every other team's - they want to win, but more than that they want to see effort.
Thibodeau held players accountable for effort - Fred does not. As jbhtexas pointed out, Hoiberg refrains from standing up to players. And thus we have this.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Fred must be a dead man walking if even Blum is sounding the alarm.

 

[blutarsky]

Fred's a players coach. We saw that in Ames. Maybe it's not translating to Chicago due to some hold over players from the Thib's era. I thought D Wade would help Hoiberg hold fort. Looks like the boat is taking on water.

Fred's a smart guy. He's been in a front office. He's tight with Forman and Paxton (sp). I think Freddy pulls through on this one. You'd like to have him overcome his players drama and correct course with this team versus dropping the prima donnas and starting over.

 

[FarminCy]

Fred's a players coach. We saw that in Ames. Maybe it's not translating to Chicago due to some hold over players from the Thib's era. I thought D Wade would help Hoiberg hold fort. Looks like the boat is taking on water.

Fred's a smart guy. He's been in a front office. He's tight with Forman and Paxton (sp). I think Freddy pulls through on this one. You'd like to have him overcome his players drama and correct course with this team versus dropping the prima donnas and starting over.

Being tight with Garpax is not a good thing I'd have to think at this point.

 

[CarlHungus]

The funny thing about the whole situation is that Bulls fans were mad they got rid of Thibs. Currently he's underachieving with a pretty good roster in Minnesota at 17-29. Perhaps their success was due to more Rose and Noah being in their prime during Thibs tenure.

 

[atlantacyclone]

As an Iowa State fan you should be thankful that Fred took the Bull's job and didn't hold out for the Timberwolves...

Why is that?

 

[jsb]

Why is that?

Because he thinks that Fred would have stayed an extra year and would have further set back the basketball program by not doing the entire job.

Personally, I think that had Fred wanted the Timberwolves job, he could have gotten it 2 years ago. I don't think Flip really wanted to coach, but when they didn't get Fred he took the job.

 

[Tornado man]

At least he was able to suspend these ignorant rich athletes that don't care about anyone but themselves. If I was Fred I'd go down swinging. And Rondo can go fly a kite. I'd trade him yesterday.

??? They're on the court playing right now.

 

[CyBobby]

Weird, a team Rondo is on suddenly has problems. Things certainly are not going well for Fred, but this just seems like a team full cancers. Not much Fred can do about that.

Rondo has been a problem where ever he has played...One big cancer on the team and in the locker room this one is on the Bulls management er MIS management......

 

[Cyched]

 

[CyBobby]

History repeats itself.. Krause screwed over Tim Floyd, who was thrown into a terrible complete rebuild from nothing after Jordan retired, Phil Jackson left etc.
17 years later, GarPax is doing the same to Hoiberg. Everyone and there dog knew that Rose was never going to be the same player again and that Butler has an ego. I wish nothing but success to CFH but I feel that he was set up to lose.

I agree that both Tim Floyd and Fred Hoiberg were put in NO Win situations.....I remember Tim saying that he coached a bulls team that was Built to LOSE.....Fred was handed a mishap of a lineup made worse by the addition of Rondo who is a walking disaster on the court and in the locker room.....Poor Fred is earning his money, for all the grief he has to take....My thoughts and prayers are with you Fred

 

[Tornado man]

Cody Westerlund ‏@CodyWesterlund 8h8 hours ago

Dwyane Wade says "you'll have to ask Fred" when asked about Hoiberg's hold on the locker room.

 

[allfourcy]

Cody Westerlund ‏@CodyWesterlund 8h8 hours ago

Dwyane Wade says "you'll have to ask Fred" when asked about Hoiberg's hold on the locker room.

I think I'm remembering this right, but had somebody tell me once that Fred avoided confrontation. Well, with this situation blowing up, it just might indicate that he'll have to be more confrontative with NBA players... when necessary, that is. Call me stupid if you want, but I think this will help the team going forward, will blow over, and Fred will learn how he has to deal with these type of situations/players. And he will be coaching the Bulls for years to come.

 

[Rabbuk]

Rondo isn't in my opinion the biggest problem here. I think he makes a good point about how a 35 year old D wade should act.

 

[jsb]

I think I'm remembering this right, but had somebody tell me once that Fred avoided confrontation. Well, with this situation blowing up, it just might indicate that he'll have to be more confrontative with NBA players... when necessary, that is. Call me stupid if you want, but I think this will help the team going forward, will blow over, and Fred will learn how he has to deal with these type of situations/players. And he will be coaching the Bulls for years to come.

You seem a lot more positive about the Bull's coach than the Iowa State coach.....there are probably people with sources within the Bulls that have just as negative opinion on Fred as you do on Prohm. Just something to consider.

Fred hasn't failed in much in his life, so I certainly wouldn't bet against him. But you do realize that this problem has been brewing for the entire 2 years he has been the coach, right? Last year Butler called him out. Last year there was the "disagreement" between him and Noah as to who suggested Noah shouldn't start (it kind of reminded me of how Fred claimed to know nothing about Hines' article bashing the program). This year he hasn't had a clue how to handle Rondo and different players are in his doghouse all of the time.