B12 not Expanding per Brett McMurphy

[colbycheese]

I think the big thing here is money. Yes the B12 wants their teams in the playoff, but was the conference hurt financially? If your reasoning for adding 2 teams is to get to the playoff, what is the financial advantage of that? I believe the conference stood to make $2 million more if they make the playoff. It is very likely adding two teams would dilute the payout to the current 10 member schools by $2 million each. That math isn't very hard to figure out. The B12 will have plenty of years it will make the playoff. If this is a trend vs a one year happening then we can argue that adding 2 teams at dilution might be worth it. But to kneejerk that we need 12 as the detriment of $20+ million really doesn't make sense.

This article from Bring on the Cats was posted in one of the other expansion threads. It makes a good financial case for expanding to 12. Basically, the conference would be just as well off, if not better off by adding almost any two teams.

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/12/7/7350401/big-12-expansion-why-it-needs-to-happen-and-how

It's not just the money that comes from the playoff. It's also lost money from having TCU and/or Baylor taking up bowl spots from other schools, along with fewer losses on average among all teams due to conference games (more bowl eligible teams).

 

[Dandy]

Ways to fix the Big 12's chances for the College Football Playoff:
1. Develop a plan to have a tie-breaker at the top so there is truly ONE TRUE CHAMPION.
2. Don't add non-TV interesting gaining schools like UCF and Cincinnati. They only bring down everyone's cut.
3. If expansion is the only option, hire Doc Brown to build a time machine and add better schools like Louisville.

 

[Clonefan94]

Yes, and Chizik was firmly entrenched.

HAHA, yeah, and the B1G had no plans to expand in the near future either, they were just exploring options, remember? Mizzou thought they were a lock for the Big 10. Didn't Louisville come out and say they were going to join the Big 12? Probably a test to see if the teams the Big 12 talked to can keep their mouths shut.

 

[boone7247]

This article from Bring on the Cats was posted in one of the other expansion threads. It makes a good financial case for expanding to 12. Basically, the conference would be just as well off, if not better off by adding almost any two teams.

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2014/12/7/7350401/big-12-expansion-why-it-needs-to-happen-and-how

It's not just the money that comes from the playoff. It's also lost money from having TCU and/or Baylor taking up bowl spots from other schools, along with fewer losses on average among all teams due to conference games (more bowl eligible teams).

This is does punch holes in my argument. I do believe, the conference will first try to get a CCG with a 10 team league, which I think is a mistake, but it does shot this article down. I don't know what a CCG is worth, but most years we will not have 2 teams that are 11-1 or better. Most likely you will have one team at 11-1 and another at 10-2, you don't want that in your championship game. Because if the 10-2 team wins, we will be out of the playoff for sure.

I trust Bowlsby here, I might be the only one, but I think he leads the conference in the proper direction in the end.
That said, selfishly I hope we add two team, because that helps ISU get to to 6 wins more easily.

 

[surly]

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Nominate | Report​ Posted: Yesterday 8:18 PM [h=4]Big 12 to receive $58 million from Bowl Games (1 vote)[/h] http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/12/08/college-football-playoff-conference-payouts/ there are the real numbers and its even backed up on the college football playoff site.. There IS NO MONEY FOR THE EXTRA GAME!!!! Above is the real numbers and just go to the main college footbal site for the rest... Big 12 lost 2 million for each team with a team not getting in.. ACC $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for FSU (Rose Bowl – CFP semifinal) $27.5 million to the conference for Georgia Tech (Orange Bowl) Total: $83.5 million to the conference Big XII $50 million base to the conference $4 million to the conference for TCU (Peach Bowl) $4 million to the conference for Baylor (Cotton Bowl) Total: $58 million to the conference Big Ten $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Ohio State (Sugar Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Michigan State (Cotton Bowl) Total: $60 million to the conference Conference distribution model: all bowl revenue is distributed equally between member institutions (taking into account financial integration plans for newer members) after a pre-determined amount for travel and related expenses is provided to participating institutions. Pac-12 $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Oregon (Rose Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Arizona (Fiesta Bowl) Total: $60 million to the conference SEC $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Alabama (Sugar Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Ole Miss (Peach Bowl) $27.5 million to the conference for Mississippi State (Orange Bowl) Total: $87.5 million to the conference Conference distribution model: For bowl games with receipts of $4,000,000 - $5,999,999, the participating team retains $1.475 million (Ole Miss), plus a travel allowance determined by SEC. For bowl games with receipts of $6 million or more, the participating team receives $2 million (Alabama and Mississippi State), plus a travel allowance determined by the SEC. If an SEC team makes it to the championship game, it receives another $2.1 million, plus travel allowance. The remainder of the revenue from these bowls is divided 15 ways – one share for each of the 14 SEC teams and one share for the conference office. There’s also a distribution method for bowls with lower payouts, but I’m not covering that here. Starting next year, the Big 12 and SEC will get 40 million extra each for the Sugar Bowl

 

[boone7247]

cletusvanhorn Frosh Rating: 2.4/5 this site 1399 posts this site Ignore this Member Send Private Message

Nominate | Report​ Posted: Yesterday 8:18 PM Big 12 to receive $58 million from Bowl Games (1 vote) http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/12/08/college-football-playoff-conference-payouts/ there are the real numbers and its even backed up on the college football playoff site.. There IS NO MONEY FOR THE EXTRA GAME!!!! Above is the real numbers and just go to the main college footbal site for the rest... Big 12 lost 2 million for each team with a team not getting in.. ACC $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for FSU (Rose Bowl – CFP semifinal) $27.5 million to the conference for Georgia Tech (Orange Bowl) Total: $83.5 million to the conference Big XII $50 million base to the conference $4 million to the conference for TCU (Peach Bowl) $4 million to the conference for Baylor (Cotton Bowl) Total: $58 million to the conference Big Ten $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Ohio State (Sugar Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Michigan State (Cotton Bowl) Total: $60 million to the conference Conference distribution model: all bowl revenue is distributed equally between member institutions (taking into account financial integration plans for newer members) after a pre-determined amount for travel and related expenses is provided to participating institutions. Pac-12 $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Oregon (Rose Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Arizona (Fiesta Bowl) Total: $60 million to the conference SEC $50 million base to the conference $6 million to the conference for Alabama (Sugar Bowl – CFP semifinal) $4 million to the conference for Ole Miss (Peach Bowl) $27.5 million to the conference for Mississippi State (Orange Bowl) Total: $87.5 million to the conference Conference distribution model: For bowl games with receipts of $4,000,000 - $5,999,999, the participating team retains $1.475 million (Ole Miss), plus a travel allowance determined by SEC. For bowl games with receipts of $6 million or more, the participating team receives $2 million (Alabama and Mississippi State), plus a travel allowance determined by the SEC. If an SEC team makes it to the championship game, it receives another $2.1 million, plus travel allowance. The remainder of the revenue from these bowls is divided 15 ways – one share for each of the 14 SEC teams and one share for the conference office. There’s also a distribution method for bowls with lower payouts, but I’m not covering that here. Starting next year, the Big 12 and SEC will get 40 million extra each for the Sugar Bowl

So if I read that correctly next year and every year forward if the same situation kept happening, the B12 would stand to make $98 from bowls, and if they get in the playoffs $100 million.

So is a conference championship game, going to make up the $2 per team difference, which actually gets bigger if the payout is always around $100.

 

[Rogue52]

"He's our coach" until "He's not our coach"

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"We're not expanding...." until "We're expanding"

 

[clonedude]

I don't think the Big 12 should expand.

I don't know how many times people need to be told.... not having a "champion" is not what prevented the Big 12 from getting a team in the playoff this year. Yes, I realize the committee mentioned that, but that was only because they couldn't say the real reason why.... which is that Ohio State makes WAY more sense for marketing and $$$$ than TCU or Baylor.

The Big 12 had just as good of a chance at getting 2 teams in the final four this year as they did not getting any. It was just a fluke how everything worked out this year. Ohio State would beat Wisky by a score like that about once every 1,000 years, so of course it had to happen this year.

It was all about $$$$ and lining up the most intriguing matchups. If the Big 12 really wants a team in there, they will find a way to get Texas or OU undefeated again. Right now TCU and Baylor just don't move the needle at all. Heck, TCU couldn't even sell out their game against us when they were fighting for a playoff spot and were ranked #3 in the country. They have literally NO following. Baylor isn't much better.

Adding 2 teams will only dilute money for everyone else, and won't help our chances at making a playoff.... period.

 

[Wesley]

I think the big thing here is money. Yes the B12 wants their teams in the playoff, but was the conference hurt financially? If your reasoning for adding 2 teams is to get to the playoff, what is the financial advantage of that? I believe the conference stood to make $2 million more if they make the playoff. It is very likely adding two teams would dilute the payout to the current 10 member schools by $2 million each. That math isn't very hard to figure out. The B12 will have plenty of years it will make the playoff. If this is a trend vs a one year happening then we can argue that adding 2 teams at dilution might be worth it. But to kneejerk that we need 12 as the detriment of $20+ million really doesn't make sense.

$6M to make p layoffs and $2M for expenses.

 

[Wesley]

Just a matter of time as the other four power five will use kit to their advantage.Maybe the light bulb will come on that no one cares we play each other on the national scene.

 

[CyCy]

If the B12 has 12 teams this year, the championship game would have been Baylor vs. Kansas State. Baylor beating them (again) would have done nothing to put them in the playoffs since no matter what, Ohio State still draws more TV audience.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If the B12 has 12 teams this year, the championship game would have been Baylor vs. Kansas State. Baylor beating them (again) would have done nothing to put them in the playoffs since no matter what, Ohio State still draws more TV audience.

True - but then the committee would at least have to admit it.

 

[moo-u]

was he the one that asked "why are we not including FSU in the discussion of teams that should possibly be left out" only to be met with blank, glazed eye stares?

forgive me if I'm mistaken.

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Isn't he one of two honest people on ESPN who were pointing out what a joke TCU going from #3 to #6 was? If I were a Big 12 administrator or executive he would be my go to guy in the media.

 

[ISUFan22]

Naming a "champion" had NOTHING to do with the Big 12 being snubbed. NOTHING.

Committee clearly admitted it was in fact an impact to the decision.

 

[everyyard]

Committee clearly admitted it was in fact an impact to the decision.

They can say whatever they want, but the only thing that affected the decision is the same thing causing realignment: money and tv's.

 

[HoopsTournament]

So if I read that correctly next year and every year forward if the same situation kept happening, the B12 would stand to make $98 from bowls, and if they get in the playoffs $100 million.

So is a conference championship game, going to make up the $2 per team difference, which actually gets bigger if the payout is always around $100.

Yes. Because reports have said that a conference championship game alone could be worth about $40m-50m a year.

 

[peteypie]

If OSU and FSU lose the conference championships, the Big 12 looks like geniuses because we get 2 in. Instead the opposite happens, so we talk realignment. SMH

 

[CycloneBob]

To be competitive on the field, Iowa State needs to dilute the conference by adding teams. The extra money we receive has not helped us put a competitive team on the field. We have more money for coaches and facilities, but so does everyone else in our conference. We cannot sustain 2 & 3 win seasons and fill our stadium.

It worked for the B1G. Yes, most of these schools put a crappy product on the field, but they put a lot of crappy teams into bowls as well.

EXACTLY - Set the championship playoffs aside as that is a long shot affecting ISU. ISU needs expansion only for the result of a softer schedule over good teams that will give us some wins.

 

[QCCyclone]

True - but then the committee would at least have to admit it.

Exactly. Even if a championship game had absolutely nothing to do with the decision, the committee is obviously using it as an excuse. Might as well give them as little reason as possible to ignore the Big 12 in the future.

 

[Skidoosh]

What the big 12 should do is actually grow a pair and name a "one true champion" or get rid of the tag line, because right now its a joke. Hearing that during the basketball game made me and half the people in my section just laugh.