Baylor Loss Thread

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Really hope this team gets it figured out, but man this is getting frustrating to sit through. Just hate watching the same guys making the same mistakes at the same point in games. I think Prohm may wind up being a fine coach, but right now I think he's getting out coached every night. Sharp learning curve in the Big 12.

This would be why I would hate to be a coach. .3 seconds more time on the block, Monte hits a game winner and Prohm just outcoached Scott Drew and got a top 25 road win.
 

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We aren't gonna blow good teams out on the road. It's not about close games, it's about giving the ball to our best player down the stretch in these close games - and we didn't last night. Niang needs to touch it every possession last 3-4 minutes.

They did exactly that in the Oklahoma State game and Niang was able to get 2 layups to seal the game. Whatever is working, just do the opposite is Coach Prohms philosphy I guess?
 

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This would be why I would hate to be a coach. .3 seconds more time on the block, Monte hits a game winner and Prohm just outcoached Scott Drew and got a top 25 road win.

This is why I hate the more fairweather basketball fans and the media.
 

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IT'S MCKAY. MCKAY MCKAY MCKAY. Does your computer not have a K on it? Right next to the J and L.

Baylor is a deeper team !! If you put just 5 on 5 you tell me who wins?? For all of those down on McCay the thing I can't figure out is how people have come to expect such great play from him?? Limited hands, zero foot work, no offensive moves. Other than an above the rim dunk he has not much to offer on offense. Not uncommon when people get to watch tape and see what a player does they can shut that down. The fact is McCay had a 1/2 year where no one knew what he could do. Secret no longer, and easy to shut down. He is a quality 6th or 7th man good for 5-10 rebounds and at most 3 or 4 junk hoops during a game when he is into it. Throw in a few head games and the pain is more than the payoff. So get over that. He is done after this year.
 

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Baylor also got away with some shoves on rebounds.

Did anyone else see the pic in The Des Moines Register of Burton getting clawed in the face while a Baylor player was trying to push him off? I missed some stretches of the game, please tell me that was an offensive foul.
 

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Don't know why people are flipping out? Baylor was favored to win and ISU had a shot to win at the end. I swear some people expect them to never lose. Baylor is a bad matchup for ISU and its on the road and they are a top 25 team. get over it people

It's not so much the loss as it is that the actual chance to win was wiped out by a team or coach not recognizing what sharing the ball/getting the ball to a high percentage situation is when there's ample time left.

Matt Thomas, Niang, and Burton are all very capable of creating space for a much more open shot than what Monte got. What was there, 2-3 guys up on Monte when he shot? There had to be an open space somewhere. If he makes it, great, probably an ISU win, but it's still poor late-game management. Would have been a 'No!....Yes!' kind of deal.

I said this last night, but I'm not sure how a team gets something like a 4 seed with 10-12 losses, 4-5 of them being due to badly played basketball late. Is that common?
 

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It's not so much the loss as it is that the actual chance to win was wiped out by a team or coach not recognizing what sharing the ball/getting the ball to a high percentage situation is when there's ample time left.

Matt Thomas, Niang, and Burton are all very capable of creating space for a much more open shot than what Monte got. What was there, 2-3 guys up on Monte when he shot? There had to be an open space somewhere. If he makes it, great, probably an ISU win, but it's still poor late-game management. Would have been a 'No!....Yes!' kind of deal.

I said this last night, but I'm not sure how a team gets something like a 4 seed with 10-12 losses, 4-5 of them being due to badly played basketball late. Is that common?

The way things are looking now its likely we will finish 21-10(10-8) in conference. You can probably expect another loss in the Big 12 tournament so that brings us to 21 or 22-11.

Just last year North Carolina was a #4 seed with 10 losses and Georgetown was a #4 seed with 11 losses. With our top end wins its not out of the realm of possibility to get a 4 seed. I would say at this point a 6 seed would be the most likely outcome and might even be favorable to getting a 4.
 

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It's not so much the loss as it is that the actual chance to win was wiped out by a team or coach not recognizing what sharing the ball/getting the ball to a high percentage situation is when there's ample time left.

Matt Thomas, Niang, and Burton are all very capable of creating space for a much more open shot than what Monte got. What was there, 2-3 guys up on Monte when he shot? There had to be an open space somewhere. If he makes it, great, probably an ISU win, but it's still poor late-game management. Would have been a 'No!....Yes!' kind of deal.

I said this last night, but I'm not sure how a team gets something like a 4 seed with 10-12 losses, 4-5 of them being due to badly played basketball late. Is that common?

As usual, just pretending like there isn't another team out there that doesn't want us to get in to that high percentage situation.
 

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I said this last night, but I'm not sure how a team gets something like a 4 seed with 10-12 losses, 4-5 of them being due to badly played basketball late. Is that common?

It isn't. But neither is playing 14 RPI Top 50 teams in your first 26 games (with many more to come). College basketball does it right and really looks at your schedule. Right now we are 4-4 vs. the RPI Top 25 and 3-3 vs. 25-50. Not a ton of teams have that many wins.

To compare Iowa is 4-4 vs RPI Top 50 and 1-1 vs. 26-50. And is a number 1 seed. The line is very fine between the very top and teams like ISU.
 

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I don't think people realize that other teams ranked around ISU also will have more losses along the way as well. Look at last week. People freaked out after tech and they are ranked in the same spot. You also have to factor in that two top 20 teams aren't allowed in the tournament this year.
 

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The way things are looking now its likely we will finish 21-10(10-8) in conference. You can probably expect another loss in the Big 12 tournament so that brings us to 21 or 22-11.

Just last year North Carolina was a #4 seed with 10 losses and Georgetown was a #4 seed with 11 losses. With our top end wins its not out of the realm of possibility to get a 4 seed. I would say at this point a 6 seed would be the most likely outcome and might even be favorable to getting a 4.

I really don't see any way we're not a 4 or 5 seed.
 

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This x100. Plus if you haven't figured out by now that nothing that happens right now really matters you're not doing yourself any favors. ISU will win out at home, lose at WVU and KU and then the real season begins.

Last year's team got swept by Baylor and the year before we lost by double digits in Waco

I haven't seen any reason to be encouraged about the "real season" either. This team does not look like a threat to make a run in March. I think there are a lot of posters clinging to this idea and setting themselves up for a big letdown.
 

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IT'S MCKAY. MCKAY MCKAY MCKAY. Does your computer not have a K on it? Right next to the J and L.


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I haven't seen any reason to be encouraged about the "real season" either. This team does not look like a threat to make a run in March. I think there are a lot of posters clinging to this idea and setting themselves up for a big letdown.

Last year's team looked like it was set up for a big run in March and lost first round. You just never know. I do agree though, we're at the point where we're putting all the eggs in that basket. If they don't make the second weekend it will defintely be a disappointing season.
 

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I haven't seen any reason to be encouraged about the "real season" either. This team does not look like a threat to make a run in March. I think there are a lot of posters clinging to this idea and setting themselves up for a big letdown.

What does that team look like exactly?
 

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Did anyone else see the pic in The Des Moines Register of Burton getting clawed in the face while a Baylor player was trying to push him off? I missed some stretches of the game, please tell me that was an offensive foul.

The refs were not great last night but in the end you have to make plays to win. By the refs not calling fouls may have did ISU a favor since they have issues shooting FTs at the end of games.
 

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I really don't see any way we're not a 4 or 5 seed.

Lets just split the difference and say a 5 at this point. Its a shame we couldnt close out a couple of the those road games like Baylor and Texas or we would be sitting in excellent shape for a 3 at this point. Nobody in the 15-20 range has our top end wins like Iowa, Kansas, and Oklahoma. On the flipside nobody in that range has as many total losses either.
 

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Lets just split the difference and say a 5 at this point. Its a shame we couldnt close out a couple of the those road games like Baylor and Texas or we would be sitting in excellent shape for a 3 at this point. Nobody in the 15-20 range has our top end wins like Iowa, Kansas, and Oklahoma. On the flipside nobody in that range has as many total losses either.

Honestly with this team I really don't think the seed matters that much. They're either going to put it together for the tourney or they won't.
 

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One thing, I was just looking at our RPI. We are 4-4 against the Top 25. Only 3 teams in college basketball have more top 25 wins than Iowa State at this point.

It kind of puts things into perspective a little, yeah we are all dissapointed over losing these games but we're still having a pretty good season.

Edit: Wow, 6-6 in our last 12, one of the worst in the entire Top 50. This team is so bipolar looking at every metric.
 
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