Big 12 Conference Realignment

2speedy1

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So if the SEC and B1G are so much better that they deserve 2 or 3 times as many teams in the playoff, why is the Big 12 not demanding we get 2 to 3 times as many teams in the NCAA BB tourney than anyone?

Last I checked the Big 12 is the consensus best of the best, in BB and it continues to get better, but every year The SEC and B1G get as many or more teams in, at least close to it.

The SEC and B1G should NEVER be allowed more than 3 teams each, period. If they have that many good teams then fine, they should have won more, they should be on top of their conference. If they dont like it, well maybe stop added all the supposed "Blue Bloods" and let the power be spread around.

Quite frankly moving to 12 teams should have made it more balanced but instead they just want to make it more uneven. And as long as you make it a popularity test with people doing the picking with no set guidelines it will always be full of unfair bias.
 
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Sorry. I don't buy the idea that you don't know what I'm talking about. You're not stupid.
Agreed but I am genuinely lost here. We were talking about UConn to the Big12 and then people shifted it talking about break away leagues and how everyone was going to hate the playoffs. I said you wouldn’t hate the playoffs the playoffs if you win and that I thought the Big12 would get in 2 teams most years.

Zero idea where big ten rahrah like you said came from.
 

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Weren’t you crying saying the Big12 will only get one team in? Now you suddenly comprehend if the Big12 has multiple 2 or less loss teams then more than one will get in?

I was never crying you dolt. If the B12 gets 2 in I will eat crow. Bet I am not wrong. Also why would anyone follow you on twitter?
 
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Agreed but I am genuinely lost here. We were talking about UConn to the Big12 and then people shifted it talking about break away leagues and how everyone was going to hate the playoffs. I said you wouldn’t hate the playoffs the playoffs if you win and that I thought the Big12 would get in 2 teams most years.

Zero idea where big ten rahrah like you said came from.
Dude, play it your way. I guess I overestimated your ability to read a room.
 
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What if...
KSU goes 11-1 only loss at ISU
ISU goes 11-1 only loss at Utah, goes to B12 championship avenges loss to Utah 12-1 (auto bid)
Utah goes 12-1 only loss to ISU in B12 championship.

Would the B12 get 3 teams in CFP?
 
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I'm under no illusions that this isn't a 12-team invitational with the goal of making as much money as they can get away with, but I think that translates to SEC/B10 teams getting credit for 1-1.5 more wins than B12/ACC teams depending on their brand name. 2022 TCU is getting in at 12-1, they made the 4-team playoff. 11 wins is probably fine. 10-2 or 10-3 probably gets the 2018 Washington State treatment where they were 13th, behind 9-3 brand names Florida, LSU, and Penn State, but ahead of non-brands like Kentucky.

The problem for the B12 is that it's going to be hard to get multiple teams to 11 wins. We have a very high percentage of good (or at least dangerous) teams, but good is the enemy of perfect when they just become landmines for the playoff contenders. I think 12-1 Utah and 11-1 K-State get in in the above secenario, it's just extremely unlikely to happen. My guess is we get a 2nd team in less than half the time when our CCG favorite loses, or there's more chaos than usual.
 

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Idk, personally I think it would be awesome if Iowa State made the playoffs and won a game. Don’t most agree with that?
Don’t say just win games. People get very upset
Of course it would be nice to make the playoffs and win. But that is not the point. The playing field is not level in the new playoff format, nor in the media contracts between the current P4. That is the real issue. There is no plan to make it more level. The system we find ourselves in is on the verge of ruining college athletics. Realignment is a mess, everything is on fire. That' how I see it. Telling us that we merely need to win a game, if we are so lucky to partake is not what this conversation needs. But we continue to hear it.

And I don't have an answer as to where college FB and athletics needs to go, next. Not in the current direction, that is clear to me. It is out of control and the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

To try to play dumb and just say "win the game" if you get in is being disingenuous at best.
 

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I was never crying you dolt. If the B12 gets 2 in I will eat crow. Bet I am not wrong. Also why would anyone follow you on twitter?
Respectfully, I semi disagree. It's all about viewership. As ESPN still holds ACC, B12, and SEC, they can't IMO ignore total conference viewership. As many have stated on here before, they'll watch the playoffs if the B12 is represented. If that's the premise, then it only makes sense to get the broadest demographic into the playoffs. I think things will be slightly out-of-favor with the B12, but not as much as some on here believe.
 
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Apples to Oranges. The SEC and B10 are top heavy,, the rest get propped up by the media.
And this is the core of our problem.

Theres usually only 1 or 2 elite teams every year, that are truly a level above the "very good" teams. Once in a while theres a 3rd. For a while now these elite teams have mostly been in the SEC or B1G. Usually Bama, GA, OSU. Theres really no need to go beyond 4 teams for a playoff, to ensure you get all the elite teams included.

But since theres always arguing about it, and $$$ to be made, its expanded.

So now you have maybe 20 very good teams all w a reasonable claim that are all on the same level vying for 8 or 10 spots. You can argue those choices a million ways and not be wrong really. It should be decided on merits w some good consistent criteria.

But it wont. It will be decided based on tv considerations for $$. Brands and teams that are "owned" by espn and fox (ie SEC and B1G) will be selected first, and criteria just really wont matter. They will say theyre better because GA and OSU are in their conference, even tho they probably didnt even play them lol.

There will be years when 2 Big12 teams get in, but not many.
 
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What if...
KSU goes 11-1 only loss at ISU
ISU goes 11-1 only loss at Utah, goes to B12 championship avenges loss to Utah 12-1 (auto bid)
Utah goes 12-1 only loss to ISU in B12 championship.

Would the B12 get 3 teams in CFP?
"We couldnt decide which of the 2 to take, so we took 9-3 Texas A&M since they had big wins over Arkansas and South Carolina"
 

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WVU could get in at 10-2. If WVU beats PSU, and then PSU goes 10-2, it would be hard for the playoff committee to put PSU in over WVU when WVU won head to head.

that is how texas got in last year. they beat bama, and to get bama in, the committee had to screw fsu--who was unbeaten.

the key is to schedule and win tough ooc games.
 

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When the SEC has 4 of the top 6 and 9 out of the top 25 before a game is even played, like someone else said they’re starting on third base and thinking they hit a triple. Similarly, the B1G has 4 of the top 9.

The Big 12’s top ranked team is 12th, with only two others in the Top 20.

When you get that head start, as a conference member you can tout your “meat grinder” of a schedule going through all these highly ranked teams as justification for being entitled to a playoff spot. Of course, you may not actually play all of those highly ranked teams, since today’s mega-conferences let you skip through your schedule without playing everyone, but hey … the top of the rankings is mostly your conference, that whole conference must be tough, right?

Im not in charge of things, but ideally:

* No top 25 rankings until you’ve played some games, maybe start with Week 4. I mean, is Florida State really the 10th best team in the nation? (I guess they are still undefeated on American soil …)

* Make conference championships count. You want in the playoffs? Win your conference.

* In line with that, make conference champions “true” by having them play everybody else in their conference - or, at least have a division where they play everyone and then have to get through the winner of the other side to make the playoff. It’d be great to have eight 10-team conferences, all with round-robins (you wouldn‘t even need a CCG, but go ahead,it makes money), and an 8-team playoff. A true tournament of champions, you prove it on the field.

* Of course, it would also be nice to have sunshine and rainbows and a nonstop supply of peanut butter Twix in my cabinet, but that’s more likely than my plan ever coming to fruition.